Lupe Fiasco=Future G.O.A.T.??
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TheEyeronic1 wrote: »define "success" my ? .
Critical aclaim, sales, impact, influence,etc. WHat's the point of making music if no one is hearing it? -
Lupe aint better than these ? for a fact
Nas
Jay
Pac
Biggie
Scarface
Ice Cube
Andre 3000
Rakim
Kane
Common
G Rap
Redman
LL
Slick Rick
I ain't even gonna talk about dudes like OC,Big L,Masta Ace,Ceelo,Snoop,Pun,etc
Lupe ? on LL, Slick Rick, Big L, B.I.G., & etc. C'mon, duke. Don't bring those emcees up. -
Usmarin3, do u think Juvenile is better than Lupe? He made an impact and kinda paved the way for N.O. Rappers?
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TheEyeronic1 wrote: »not true. people ARE emotionally embedded in his music, but you've clearly listed the reason that you arent. his music isnt as "selfish" as other rappers. the next album is supposed to be the most personal album so far (see beautiful lasers).
lupe made 2 albums with incredible content THUS far. so imo, his catalog so far is VERY impressive..and he makes excellent music. i'll take that over "im rich, im cool, look at my clothes, i've got money, oh yeah, my homie died, rest in peace to my lost soldiers, my ? bad, my car is CRAZY" ANY day.
and i get it, you may not directly relate to the content of a jay-z, you identify with the "success" he speaks of, which "motivates" you. i get it. in your eyes, thats being personable.
No they are not, they respect his technical skills but ? don't leave feeling like i know this mf personally like say a Pac and it's not about being selfish. Hiphop is about telling your story, that's why i never understood why these lame ass ? get caught up in the whole content ? .
The funny ? is, Lupe raps about money, my clothes, my homies dead, the streets, etc too, just like every other ? but i'm sure you will overlook that. Personable to me is, exposing yourself and life on tracks and not rapping about other ? lives. I feel like part of the reason why we love Pac, Nas, Biggie, Jay is because we know these.
Biggie - grew up in BK, without a pops, single mom, etc
Nas - grew up in QB, pops was playa,etc
Jay - Marcy, pops left, sold drugs,etc
Pac - mom was a fiend, grew up without a pops,etc
Like i said i respect Lupe, ive been playing the ? out that Enemy of the State mixtape, but his music just isn't personable to me. I respect the skills, but i am not emotionally embedded in his music. A new ? could come and replace him and i wouldn't care. -
Usmarin3, do u think Juvenile is better than Lupe? He made an impact and kinda paved the way for N.O. Rappers?
Lupe is the better technical rapper, but Juvie has a true classic imo and made a bigger impact. That's why i said making good music is not synonymous with being a great rapper. So i would say yes Juvie is a better rapper imo, this same logic can be applied to other rappers like Too Short,Snoop,etc. Lupe is technically better, but impact wise he aint seeing them. -
numero 35th padre and I am being very generous. Not saying he wack but he won't be remembered 20 years for now.
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TheEyeronic1 wrote: »jay-z says his favorite new rapper is lupe fiasco...so what are we saying? lupe is critically acclaimed by his peers (nas, jay specifically). influence and impact remains to be seen. whos to say the NEXT big rapper in the next 10 years wont say "my favorite rapper was lupe fiasco"?
and plenty of people hear lupe's music. youtube the steppin lasers tour.
Wrong he said Biggie was his favorite and i could give a ? what Jay says, he also said Bleek is next! lmfao Kanye has made more of an impact than Lupe and definetly has made better albums and i still don't put Kanye in my top 10. -
TheEyeronic1 wrote: »@ the bolded, but hes not LIMITED to just rapping about those things, is what i was getting at.
hip hop is about telling your story..but as you can easily see, a lot of ? have the same story, which is why the music ends up sounding the same with the same themes and stories told over and over. but because lupe's approach is different and less about himself and more about the world around him, hes faulted?
Everyones story is unique to them, the problem is rappers started selling a lifestyle instead of what they really live. Do you really believe these ? is seeing Puff or Jay type money to be in the club all day, drive Bentleys,etc. All they are doing is making up ? , but people can see through the fake rappers (ie Rick Ross). You can be unique and still make personable music, the two aren't mutually exclusive, it's been done before (Andre 3000, Kanye, Eminem,etc). -
When you make a GOAT list you gotta start wit lyrics first, then style and content. I don't care if they was a star or not, or if they made money. In that case, Soulja Boy should be on ya'll list. And you don't want that, LOL. I woulda loved to kick it wit 2Pac cause he was full of info but to be honest, i only bought one album and that was All Eyez On Me. If I was to make a Most Influential Rapper list, then Pac would be number one and Biggie wouldn't be on that one.
1) Andre 3000
2) Nas
3) Biggie
4) Lupe Fiasco
5) Curren$y
Notables: Fabolous, Common, Kanye (the old one), Phonte (Little Brother), Elzhi (Slum Village), Drake? (Maybe) -
TheEyeronic1 wrote: »jay-z says his favorite new rapper is lupe fiasco...so what are we saying? lupe is critically acclaimed by his peers (nas, jay specifically). influence and impact remains to be seen. whos to say the NEXT big rapper in the next 10 years wont say "my favorite rapper was lupe fiasco"?
and plenty of people hear lupe's music. youtube the steppin lasers tour.
Man half the industry including Lupe is dickriding Drake when he's ? trash imo... co-signs dont mean much anymore.
Lupe is lyrically a dope MC's but I never felt his music and as of right now he not in my top 20-30 of alltime. -
He hasn't done anything YET to be considered a G.O.A.T. .He's released two DECENT albums,that's about it!!!
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maybe i'm missing something. i like lupe, but dont think he's nearly as nice as people on here are saying he is
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KingNative wrote: »He hasn't done anything YET to be considered a G.O.A.T. .He's released two DECENT albums,that's about it!!!
wooooooooooa............Stop the maddeness -
maybe i'm missing something. i like lupe, but dont think he's nearly as nice as people on here are saying he is
No offense but I think that's just an excuse people like to use when they just really lack the comprehension to understand what Lupe says. Being unfamiliar with concepts, themes, ideas and the like would be enough to turn anyone away from an artist's music. -
TheEyeronic1 wrote: »then the question becomes, who is nicer? only people that i think are lyrically "nicer" is eminem, jay-z and nas.
i worded it wrong, i def think he's nice but there are rappers i'd much rather listen to than lupe.
does he have more mixtapes than "enemy of the state" bc im open to listening to more? -
i like lupe but one good album and one average album gets him somewhere in my top 30 or 40 i guess he still has time to put in more work and he can flow but he's not where ner my top 10 at the moment
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Punisher__ wrote: »No offense but I think that's just an excuse people like to use when they just really lack the comprehension to understand what Lupe says. Being unfamiliar with concepts, themes, ideas and the like would be enough to turn anyone away from an artist's music.
none taken, i comprehend what he's saying and i havent been turned away. i like listening to him -
TheEyeronic1 wrote: »peep the Fahrenheit 1/15 series and The Food & Liquor Leak , which pretty much helped spawn the backstory to the concept of The Cool album..
will do
lester burnham= GOAT -
Lupe Is a Legend in the making I believe, But i dont Seem Him having the GOAT status yet..........Yes he may Have a 2 potential Classics under his belt (Yea he Does, if ya dont see that ya ? is trippin), and arguably might be the best out mainstream Wise (Give me a Better Name besides Jay, NaS Ra,) but u have to Wait coup[le of uyrs to see Influcnce...........I Guarantee though, rappers will be saying, he was my favroite rapper back in the Day
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Punisher__ wrote: »No offense but I think that's just an excuse people like to use when they just really lack the comprehension to understand what Lupe says. Being unfamiliar with concepts, themes, ideas and the like would be enough to turn anyone away from an artist's music.
yea................? be sayin that Cuz they Dont get what he sayin.......... -
Lupe Is a Legend in the making I believe, But i dont Seem Him having the GOAT status yet..........Yes he may Have a 2 potential Classics under his belt (Yea he Does, if ya dont see that ya ? is trippin), and arguably might be the best out mainstream Wise (Give me a Better Name besides Jay, NaS Ra,) but u have to Wait coup[le of uyrs to see Influcnce...........I Guarantee though, rappers will be saying, he was my favroite rapper back in the Day
Kanye > Lupe
Ye will go down as the best rapper of his generation, he has managed to master what Lupe can't or haven't yet. Critical acclaim with mainstream success, without comprimising who he is. Lupe is a modern day GZA imo! -
Kanye > Lupe
Ye will go down as the best rapper of his generation, he has managed to master what Lupe can't or haven't yet. Critical acclaim with mainstream success, without comprimising who he is. Lupe is a modern day GZA imo!
ur trippin............We r goin about Content homie, not Sales..........And Wats Worng with that??? GZA is a legend -
ur trippin............We r goin about Content homie, not Sales..........And Wats Worng with that??? GZA is a legend
legend no doubt but limited when it comes to range -
legend no doubt but limited when it comes to range
but he is still a legend though............and u still compared Lupe to him....... -
People are caught up on this mainstream success idea, as if it defines true artistry.
Truth is, being successful on the pop charts has NEVER been a measurement of how GOOD an artist is. It's merely used to by fans of artist who actually do cater to top 40 radio, and is a product of marketing and promotion.
