Why did no one want to sign Jay-Z?

Options
hot7777
hot7777 Members Posts: 201
edited September 2011 in The Reason
Jay-Z created his own label cuz no one wanted to sign him. Why? Did they think he was not good enough at the time?
«13

Comments

  • LOLCL
    LOLCL Members Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    He didn't really have a buzz or anything in the streets besides Dead Presidents and they thought he didn't have the capacity to go in the general direction at the time. Plus reasonable doubt went double wood.
  • sniperk
    sniperk Members Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    It took awhile for people to forget about Biggie's lyrics.
  • El Payaso
    El Payaso Members Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    sniperk wrote: »
    It took awhile for people to forget about Biggie's lyrics.

    Haha good post that and he looks like a camel
  • 6ft5
    6ft5 Confirm Email Posts: 2,127 ✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    He wanted to much
  • Idiopathic Joker
    Idiopathic Joker Members, Moderators Posts: 45,691 Regulator
    edited September 2011
    Options
    nothing was original about the man
  • RickyRich
    RickyRich Members Posts: 13,062 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    his lyrics was ? . wen he created his label he started jackin ? lyrics
  • EuropeanAndWhite
    EuropeanAndWhite Members Posts: 520
    edited September 2011
    Options
    LOLCL wrote: »
    He didn't really have a buzz or anything in the streets besides Dead Presidents and they thought he didn't have the capacity to go in the general direction at the time. Plus reasonable doubt went double wood.

    get your facts straight. jay not being able to get signed was before dead presidents and before reasonable doubt. for the release of reasonable doubt they already had a deal between roc-a-fella and priority records.

    why they didn't sign him? I guess because they saw no ability to market dude, his style wasn't what you heard on reasonable doubt when he first wanted to get on. just imagine jay rapping that fast tongue-twist ? on a whole album, he would be gone and forgotten after 5 years.
  • JadaRoss
    JadaRoss Members Posts: 6,791 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    alot of companies regret they never signed him now he worth a few 100 million dollars
  • PanchoYoSancho
    PanchoYoSancho Members Posts: 13,177 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    LOLCL wrote: »
    He didn't really have a buzz or anything in the streets besides Dead Presidents and they thought he didn't have the capacity to go in the general direction at the time. Plus reasonable doubt went double wood.

    'Reasonable Doubt' sold nearly a million and a half copies.




    How does that classify as 'Double wood'.
  • Mrslim1
    Mrslim1 Members Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    Most artist in the industry that have had GREAT success have had to make their own way and lane .
  • usmarin3
    usmarin3 Members Posts: 38,013 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    "it took me 26 years to find my path"

    I think it's a combo if him not completing finding his style and fully going in the rap ? . Lots of artist get looked over at first, Alicia Keys did, WIz did, Em,etc.
  • CJ
    CJ Members Posts: 15,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    Cause he's a coontastic euro-pop artist who bites lyrics & looks like a camel?
  • usmarin3
    usmarin3 Members Posts: 38,013 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    PimpMVP wrote: »
    He never found his style, hence him hopping on every trend

    Start trends buddy, not hop on them. Get it right!
  • Mrslim1
    Mrslim1 Members Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    As a Jay fan . Jay was always good with adapting to what was hot at the time . From Ha remix with Juvenile and even appearing on the Silk The Shocker track. Jay was a good enough rapper and had the savvy to realize that he had associate himself at times to artist that where hot to show that he could change with the specific times . Jay was good at not always using the same type of sounds with his production to be pigeonholed . Some make look at it good some may look at it bad but it was smart
  • Generic
    Generic Members Posts: 1,043 ✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    PimpMVP wrote: »
    Jay stole his style from different rappers.

    He wasn't original... why sign a fake when you can sign the real.

    c/s.
    Lol at the 50 year old camel starting trends.
  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    The Short answer is, he wasn't nice enough. Jay didn't have a rhyme style or the charisma to set himself apart from other MC's. Dame saw that Jay at least had the work ethic and desire to transform himself into a decent MC. And once Hip Hop took the turn to the Big Willie, Crystal popping persona it then made a way for MC's with average skill to enter as, long as they could pull off the Big Willie, Dope slinging gimmick.
  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    Mrslim1 wrote: »
    As a Jay fan . Jay was always good with adapting to what was hot at the time . From Ha remix with Juvenile and even appearing on the Silk The Shocker track. Jay was a good enough rapper and had the savvy to realize that he had associate himself at times to artist that where hot to show that he could change with the specific times . Jay was good at not always using the same type of sounds with his production to be pigeonholed . Some make look at it good some may look at it bad but it was smart

    Great points. Because, this was a time when many artists had their own in house production (death squad, death row, Boot Camp,Wu and Dungeon Fam) crews and weren't reaching out to various producers to do solo projects. Which, by the way Nas kinda broke that mold with Illmatic and Biggie with Ready Die. Both Albums had various producers who were pretty large at the time.
  • Mrslim1
    Mrslim1 Members Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    Great points. Because, this was a time when many artists had their own in house production (death squad, death row, Boot Camp,Wu and Dungeon Fam) crews and weren't reaching out to various producers to do solo projects. Which, by the way Nas kinda broke that mold with Illmatic and Biggie with Ready Die. Both Albums had various producers who were pretty large at the time.


    Jay also began to use Timbo for some tracks when at the time Tim was known more for R&B . He would also thrown a Too Short on a track . Put UGK on Big Pimpin when alot of people outside the south didnt know to much about them . Jay is smart at doing things like that to broaden his audience
  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    Mrslim1 wrote: »
    Jay also began to use Timbo for some tracks when at the time Tim was known more for R&B . He would also thrown a Too Short on a track . Put UGK on Big Pimpin when alot of people outside the south didnt know to much about them . Jay is smart at doing things like that to broaden his audience

    I don't disagree. However, colabs between artists from various regions weren't rare. Jayz just did it at a time when Hip Hop really began to gain exposure in broader more powerful media outlets.
  • huey
    huey Members Posts: 11,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    he was ahead of his time.
  • thecomebacklegend
    thecomebacklegend Members Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    LOLCL wrote: »
    reasonable doubt went double wood.

    jay could not compete with pac classics
  • Mrslim1
    Mrslim1 Members Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    I don't disagree. However, colabs between artists from various regions weren't rare. Jayz just did it at a time when Hip Hop really began to gain exposure in broader more powerful media outlets.

    Not so much they were rare , but Jay was able to do it in a manor where it was commercially acceptable . Gangstar had tracks with Face but it was just a good track on a good CD . Jay was able and had to the exposure so those type of tracks could be heard by the masses
  • theorynbt
    theorynbt Members Posts: 589 ✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    They thought he was as marketable as a Craig Mack...............
  • Kwan Dai
    Kwan Dai Members Posts: 6,929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    Mrslim1 wrote: »
    Not so much they were rare , but Jay was able to do it in a manor where it was commercially acceptable . Gangstar had tracks with Face but it was just a good track on a good CD . Jay was able and had to the exposure so those type of tracks could be heard by the masses

    I disagree that his brand was more commercially acceptable. I think the acceptability came from Hip Hop Music as a whole being accepted across major media outlets as, Jayz began to make headway within Hip Hop. Let's not forget there were artists from various regions who also toured together as well. What I am saying is, Jayz didn't event or spearhead production by various Hip Hop producers on solo albums. Nor did, event, spearhead or make acceptable artists from various regions working together.
  • NothingButTheTruth
    NothingButTheTruth Members Posts: 10,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2011
    Options
    Kwan Dai wrote: »
    The Short answer is, he wasn't nice enough. Jay didn't have a rhyme style or the charisma to set himself apart from other MC's. Dame saw that Jay at least had the work ethic and desire to transform himself into a decent MC. And once Hip Hop took the turn to the Big Willie, Crystal popping persona it then made a way for MC's with average skill to enter as, long as they could pull off the Big Willie, Dope slinging gimmick.

    We have a winner...