Drake Speaks On Alleged Use Of A Ghostwriter & Beef with Meek Mill

Peezy_Jenkins wrote: »

just curious

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rapmastermind wrote: »

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rapmastermind wrote: »

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I could be wrong but I don't think "Views" is dropping this year and will be pushed back to 2016 sometime probably 2nd QTR near the summer. There's not point in rolling out that album with "if your reading" still selling decent and now having the Future tape. Not to mention we don't know how much Quentin did on that album before the cat came out of the bag so he probably has to rework it. The Future album was the replacement and to try and get him some good press after the Quentin Miller fiasco. Look I never said Drake's career is over but his standing historically took a hit clearly. He may not care about that with his millions to wipe away his tears but when we are talking about Hip Hip Runs, he won't be able to run away from the Ghostwriter drama. You know why Puffy, Dre or even Ye don't have to deal with that? They weren't secretive about it, they didn't try to hide it. I also disagree that "Nobody Cares". You mean the Pop Fans. Plenty of fans cared if Drake words were his, even his diehard fans would admit be being surprised he had writers.

Most people didn't know Quentin Miller exsisted until the reference tapes. Drake did try to hide his process and it came back on him. Meek may have lost the popularity contest but his statement was Fact. It was proven Drake doesn't write all his rhymes. Again to what extent we don't know but once you've been found guilty, everything comes into question. I already said I believe he writes but the tapes don't lie. We've got audio evidence of another dude writing his ? word for word basically. Also Drake's sales have already been declining each album. Even the Future tape came in below estimates even though it was a surprise album so those were still amazing numbers. Bottom line he can't be considered "The Best" of his generation when it comes to spitting. Popularity, Success, sure. But as a rapper and emcee? Nope. As I've always said, he's in the 50, Ja, Luda, T.I., Nelly Teir and none of them have had ghostwriter drama so is he even better than them?

its not even about hiding it.... if Drake was to admit he had writers from the jump, he would of had no career, because he would of never been took serious.
Ye N Dre were producers who rapped ... Eazy, Baby N Puff were business / label owners who rap. Rap was a novelty for them... but Drake is a rapper, what's his excuse ?
dude came from a questionable back ground to begin with, he never fit the culture ... but he was given a pass because, he was ultra talented. well, come to find out, all that talent was only an illusion...

how did he not fit the culture and have a questionable background? cuz he wasnt sellin dope and did a tv show?

BackInWhite wrote: »

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rapmastermind wrote: »

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rapmastermind wrote: »

Case Closed. He confessed in so many words. I guess he couldn't lie with the references out there. It is what it is. He's a pop star, he's made a lot of money and good for him. He's not a lyricist, he's not an emcee as many of us were saying. Does this mean Drake never wrote anything? Nobody can be sure the issue is he was using writers on his 4th LP. This wasn't his 1st LP, he wasn't just starting out. So everything will be in question. How long has he used this process? I'm sure he will backtrack and say the article took him out of context but all the Drake Defenders need to Man Up. You boy said it in clear words.

At the end of the day, when ? log off they don't really give a ? about this ? . In the short run rap is a voting machine but in the long run it's a weighing machine. The fact that WATTBA is on par to go gold next week is more than telling of how people feel about it. Views From the 6 will drop and it'll go what plat in the first week ? People may bring it up down the road but like I said rap is a voting machine in the short run but a weighing machine in the long run. Nobody cares that Rick Ross was a CO, no one gives a ? that Game was a stripper, nobody cares as long as you drop hit records.

And you can hiss at your screen but if Drake lasts more than 10 years and is still at the top I can guarantee you he will drop many more dope verses and ? will still crown him a dope lyricist - tell me I'm lying. Purists and the boom bap ? will hate him but over the long-run he's going to get his just due as a lyricist. This ? will only matter if on the next 2 albums Drake's lyrics become stale and wack.

its not even about hiding it.... if Drake was to admit he had writers from the jump, he would of had no career, because he would of never been took serious.
Ye N Dre were producers who rapped ... Eazy, Baby N Puff were business / label owners who rap. Rap was a novelty for them... but Drake is a rapper, what's his excuse ?
dude came from a questionable back ground to begin with, he never fit the culture ... but he was given a pass because, he was ultra talented. well, come to find out, all that talent was only an illusion...

That's what I'm saying
Wheelchair Jimmy was given a pass cuz he was dope
But if he ain't even dope on his own then what's left?
In hip hop all you have is your pen game
Drake just admitted to having no pen game
Where the ? is ghostface and a set of stairs when you need em?!
All you goofy ass ? actin like this ? is cool should be ashamed
I officially apologize to Meek "twitter fingers" Mill

how u have no pen game when u write for others? how are we sure drake aint write all his ? up until 10 bands?

? u dumb as ?

answer the question then ? ? .

rapmastermind wrote: »

ovoCapo wrote: »

how did he tried to hide when he put ihm in the credits .

R.I.C.O. Says Hello. Also Flex said there was a reference on "Blessing" which Credit was not given. I'm sure Ye or Hov put a stop from that leaking.

Eazy-E had ghostwriters, Cam'ron ghostwrote for Lil Kim, there's a lot more but no one ever denies their claim to being legendary or one of the best to do it. Drake never denied having a ghostwriter it's just it was more popularized to the media when it blew, he never came out and said "I don't have a ghostwriter", that wouldnt even make sense for him to say that then admit to it in this article. He was quiet about it and the fact that he said he doesn't mind being the target for it, is even more commending. It's just the purists who never liked him to begin with just want a person to throw stones at.


Also how could Future/Drake tape sales come in below estimates when NO ONE even knew they were dropping a mixtape to begin with ? No one knew what to expect it would sell, we just assumed it'd be prolly go gold in the first week and it prolly will go gold. His sales are waning ? How do we gauge that considering his 3rd album had the biggest first week of his prior albums ? He went platinum off a mixtape, his sales are as consistent as Jay-Z's, most of Hov's albums sell 1.5x platinum or 2x platinum and that's it. In the case of 50, Nelly Ja, they had big openings on their first 2 and then it went down significantly from there. And as a rapper, Drake is already in the conversation there's no denying that - it's Drake/Cole/Kendrick. You can make an argument for him being an MC but once more, rap is a voting machine in the short term but a weighing machine in the long term. What will you say if he reaches album 10 and he's bars/verses are as dope as ever ? He's already on his 5th or 6th album (if you include SFG or WATTBA) He's going to get his just due for lyricism as well, like him or not but it's the truth.


Personally I don't have to like Drake but I'm not gonna front on his success or place in rap today. He could go down as one of the GOATs that isn't far fetched but only time can tell if he will or not. He's the only one that can get in his own way, he's breaking his own records as time goes on. You can have a personal dislike for Drake but you can't deny his place or the fact that this thread will go platinum before Sunday. This isn't any different than when Rick Ross came out as a CO, ? who aint like him ? on him but in the end is he still not making money and dropping music ? Rap is a voting machine in the short term but a weighing machine in the long term.

First Cam did not "Ghostwrite" for Kim, Biggie did. Cam wrote Cease verse on "Crush on You" not Kim. Also Drake's sales have been declining:

TML - 1.7
TC - 2.2
NWTS - 1.6
IYRTITL - 1
Future Tape - 800k-1

Also I don't consider the last two albums "Mixtapes". They were pressed up, put up for sale and marketed in the end. The whole media was saying 500k or more for the Future tape well now estimates are saying it's more like 350-375k which is still great no doubt but below original estimates. Sure he's had an amazing run commerically but so did 50 Cent, So Did T.I. , So Did Luda, So Did Ja. DMX Run is still better than his overall. Sales are only one factor in determining success. It was never the end all be all. Once you take the sales away next you got Skills and using ghostwriters going against his Skill level period. Eazy E never procliamed himself a GOAT Rapper, Eazy E never said he was coming for crown. Also it was WELL KNOWN FROM THE BEGINNING Eazy used writers, not a good example.

Rick Ross took a hit but he survived cause he's in a lane of music that it not being pushed on the mainstream so he can exsit despite being exposed. Drake whole talent is based on him being one of the best rappers of "This Generation". You can't be one the best rappers with ghostwriters. This is why nobody puts Dre, Eazy or Puffy in those catagories. Now Ye is viewed as a GOST ARTIST not Emcee, there's a difference. Plus he's always given credit where credit it due to people that have helped him write. "All DAy" had like 17 writers on it, lol. The botton line is Drake has had a successful career in Hip Hop. Had a great run of singles and chart hits. But that only gets you so far. When skills are measured, he will fall short for using ghostwriters.

kingofkingz wrote: »

When did Boring ass kdot call out drake for having ghostwriters? He ain't put it in a rap cuz ? would've made a thread talkin about the ?

soulfulcat wrote: »

“I’m just gonna bring it up ‘cause it’s important to me,” he says. “I was at a charity kickball game—which we won, by the way—and my brother called me. He was just like, ‘I don’t know if you’re aware, but, yo, they’re trying to end us out here. They’re just spreading, like,propaganda. Where are you? You need to come here.’ So we all circled up at the studio, and sat there as Flex went on the air, and these guys flip-flopped [about how] they were gonna do this, that, and the third.”

He recorded “Charged Up” that very night and released it the next day on the same episode of OVO Radio that saw the debut of “Hotline Bling.” “Given the circumstances, it felt right to just remind people what it is that I do,” Drake says, a proud smile creeping into his face, “in case your opinions were wavering at any point.”

When a reply to “Charged Up” didn’t come, Drake could hardly believe it. “This is a discussion about music, and no one’s putting forth any music?” he says, speaking with a furrowed brow, as if reliving his incredulity. “You guys are gonna leave this for me to do? This is how you want to play it? You guys didn’t think this through at all—nobody? You guys have high-ranking members watching over you. Nobody told you that this was a bad idea, to engage in this and not have something? You’re gonna engage in a conversation about writing music, and delivering music, with me? And not have anything to put forth on the table?”

As the days ticked by and a rebuttal from Meek Mill continued to not materialize, Drake became almost offended at the lack of hustle the other team was putting in. “It was weighing heavy on me,” he says. “I didn’t get it. I didn’t get how there was no strategy on the opposite end. I just didn’t understand. I didn’t understand it because that’s just not how we operate.”

It was then that he decided to just go ahead and do another song. “I was like, ‘I’m gonna probably just finish this.’ And I know how I have to finish it. This has to literally become the song that people want to hear every single night, and it’s gonna be tough to exist during this summer when everybody wants to hear [this] song that isn’t necessarily in your favor.”

That song became “Back to Back,” and in keeping with Drake’s plan, it became an instant radio hit. In the end, Drake never felt compelled to prove his chops in some grand or gimmicky way—by going on a radio show and freestyling, for instance, or putting pictures of his handwritten lyrics on Instagram. Instead he just acted like the leaked recordings didn’t matter. And a few days later, with a performance at OVO Fest—the star-studded concert he puts on every year in Toronto that opened, this time around, with a full-on sendup of his challenger—the whole thing was decisively over, with public opinion overwhelmingly on Drake’s side.

The fact that most of Drake’s fans seemed not to care about the particulars of how his songs were made proved something important: that Drake was no longer just operating as a popular rapper, but as a pop star, full stop, in a category with Beyoncé, Kanye West, Taylor Swift, and the many boundary-pushing mainstream acts from the past that transcended their genres and reached positions of historic influence in culture. At that altitude, it’s well known that the vast majority of great songs are cooked in groups and workshopped before being brought to life by one singular talent. That is the altitude where Drake lives now.

“I need, sometimes, individuals to spark an idea so that I can take off running,” he says. “I don’t mind that. And those recordings—they are what they are. And you can use your own judgment on what they mean to you.”

“There’s not necessarily a context to them,” he adds, when I ask him to provide some. “And I don’t know if I’m really here to even clarify it for you.”

Instead, he tells me he is ready and willing to be the flashpoint for a debate about originality in hip-hop. “If I have to be the vessel for this conversation to be brought up—you know, ? forbid we start talking about writing and references and who takes what from where—I’m OK with it being me,” he says.

He then makes a bigger point—one that sums up why the experience of being publicly targeted left him in a position of greater strength than he went into it with: “It’s just, music at times can be a collaborative process, you know? Who came up with this, who came up with that—for me, it’s like, I know that it takes me to execute every single thing that I’ve done up until this point. And I’m not ashamed.”