Tom Brady vs Peyton Manning - Superbowl Performances
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Manning winning couple of SBz i meant to put.
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Tha Killer wrote: »I bet these ? would call Miami's No Name Defense a bunch of scrubs if they played in today's league. Smh. Matt Cassell proved that it's Belichick's system that got them those 3 rings and not Brady. When Belichick started signing big name players and deviating from his system is when Brady's numbers shot up, but he aint won a SB since. The Pats without Brady = 11-5 at worst. The Colts without Peyton = the 2008 Detroit Lions with 2 great DE's
smh, did you know Matt cassell won 10 games with the chiefs, How the ? do you know how the colts will do with out manning. They never been tested with backup QB like the Pats -
believe what you want but, you have no statistical basis for that opinion. yall talk all that ? about Manning when on the big stage, Brady has outplayed him in everyway.
lol what? manning has the better stats overall everybody knows that just stop -
Jeezyfan4ever wrote: »smh, did you know Matt cassell won 10 games with the chiefs, How the ? do you know how the colts will do with out manning. They never been tested with backup QB like the Pats
how many games did he win at his first season with the chiefs? -
Lol that ? really said Manning can't win a Superbowl
couple of SB with an offense like that surround by all 1st rounders he should be able too -
Jeezyfan4ever wrote: »smh, did you know Matt cassell won 10 games with the chiefs, How the ? do you know how the colts will do with out manning. They never been tested with backup QB like the Pats
Correction, Thomas Jones, a vastly improved defense, and Jamaal Charles won 10 games for the Chiefs. His first year in KC was a disaster until Haley picked up both of Belichicks' 3x Super Bowl winning coordinators. Let's see how good KC does with a tougher schedule and without Charlie Weis. They'll still be using a variation of BB's system, but any Chiefs fan will tell you they're doomed if they have to rely on Matt Cassell.
He hadn't started a game at QB since highschool when he 'lead' that Pats team to 11 wins. If that's not proof positive of Brady being a system QB, I dunno what is. -
both are good but Brady is better. Manning's coaches gave this ? the most freedom of any qb ever. They said ? the run and base everything off of him. Brady came up with defense anbd a running game with Awtoine Smith and then Corey Dillon. Also Brady has bs at wr for years Troy Brown was their best wr. When they finally gave him talent at that position u saw what happened with Moss/Welker/Stallworth.
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Tha Killer wrote: »I bet these ? would call Miami's No Name Defense a bunch of scrubs if they played in today's league. Smh. Matt Cassell proved that it's Belichick's system that got them those 3 rings and not Brady. When Belichick started signing big name players and deviating from his system is when Brady's numbers shot up, but he aint won a SB since. The Pats without Brady = 11-5 at worst. The Colts without Peyton = the 2008 Detroit Lions with 2 great DE's
I dont buy that. thats the propaganda they use to boost up manning. The Colts have 2 first round running backs in Brown and Adai that would have big numbers if used right. they had talent on the o line wr and te. 2 bookend de. They could play good football but they wont allow it and would want a pity party if Mannung was hurt. hell use ur team dont focus on just throwing -
all i know is... when they finally replaced all them "bums" and "bs WRs" with good ones and put it all on brady's shoulders to go out and win it, he hasnt been able to get it done. tom brady somethin like 1-3 or 0-4 for his last 4 playoff games while peyton manning (who besides reggie wayne WR talent has been on the downside) has at least been to 2 superbowls in that span and won 1
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If people cant see that its the Patriots system then they are not watching the right game...Brady is good...but Brady doesnt have to do all the audibles and checks that Peyton does because the Patriots always have a superior gameplan than their opponent...The Colts gameplan is let 18 do his thing...you know why Painter looked so bad the first 2 preseason games and then looked like a pro qb the last one? it was the 1st time in his career as a Colt they game planned for him....1st
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If people cant see that its the Patriots system then they are not watching the right game...Brady is good...but Brady doesnt have to do all the audibles and checks that Peyton does because the Patriots always have a superior gameplan than their opponent...The Colts gameplan is let 18 do his thing...you know why Painter looked so bad the first 2 preseason games and then looked like a pro qb the last one? it was the 1st time in his career as a Colt they game planned for him....1st
lets be real tho the Colts dont have to have Manning do all that ? . they can use the running game but the choose not to. -
The only time the Colts won is when we had a top 10 defense....every time the Pats won they had a top 5 defense...Its easy comparing Super Bowl numbers...but its getting to the Super Bowl that the Colts struggle with...the Saints were the only team in the last few years that beat us in the playoffs that didnt play a 3-4 defense...how does the coaching staff not have the ability to game plan against the only defense that stops you?? but go ahead and blame Manning...
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all i know is... when they finally replaced all them "bums" and "bs WRs" with good ones and put it all on brady's shoulders to go out and win it, he hasnt been able to get it done. tom brady somethin like 1-3 or 0-4 for his last 4 playoff games while peyton manning (who besides reggie wayne WR talent has been on the downside) has at least been to 2 superbowls in that span and won 1
This here...
When the patriots were winning superbowls, the patriots had that rusty zone veteran defense. Brady didnt have the pressure on him to win the game because the patriots defense was giving him good field position and turnovers where he could just throw a couple slant passes and get points. Without that top 10 defense brady hasnt gotten a ring.
Same with roethilsberger, though. As overhyped as he is the steelers had top 5 defenses both times he got rings and got close to one last year.
The colts dont have that defense to lean on, its either Peyton or nothing. All the pressure is on Peyton to go out there and get the job done.....I sorta feel the same for brees and his situation for with the saints, even though i think brady>brees.
Brady has been bellichicks baby since he first took a snap. Peyton has been putting up consistent numbers with two different coaches. Cassel comes in and goes 11-5, anyone that watches football knows what is going to happen to the colts if Peyton isnt present. -
lets be real tho the Colts dont have to have Manning do all that ? . they can use the running game but the choose not to.
My point...it comes down to coaching...why not insert an i-formation in your system and rely on the running game?? thats how the Patriots, Steelers, Giants all GOT to the super bowl...when IN the super bowl their QB's have great performances, no debating that...Besides the Saints and Colts, every Super Bowl winner has had a great defense and strong running game...because thats what wins championships -
My point...it comes down to coaching...why not insert an i-formation in your system and rely on the running game?? thats how the Patriots, Steelers, Giants all GOT to the super bowl...when IN the super bowl their QB's have great performances, no debating that...Besides the Saints and Colts, every Super Bowl winner has had a great defense and strong running game...because thats what wins championships
I can nod to this point....thats what it takes to physically crush and demoralize your opponent
Strong running game and Strong defense...... -
This here...
When the patriots were winning superbowls, the patriots had that rusty zone veteran defense. Brady didnt have the pressure on him to win the game because the patriots defense was giving him good field position and turnovers where he could just throw a couple slant passes and get points. Without that top 10 defense brady hasnt gotten a ring.
Same with roethilsberger, though. As overhyped as he is the steelers had top 5 defenses both times he got rings and got close to one last year.
The colts dont have that defense to lean on, its either Peyton or nothing. All the pressure is on Peyton to go out there and get the job done.....I sorta feel the same for brees and his situation for with the saints, even though i think brady>brees.
Brady has been bellichicks baby since he first took a snap. Peyton has been putting up consistent numbers with two different coaches. Cassel comes in and goes 11-5, anyone that watches football knows what is going to happen to the colts if Peyton isnt present.
Yet Brady outplayed Manning in almost every Superbowl he's been in.
im confused. did any of yall read the opening post? -
Why the discrepancy? Manning's the ? QB right?
Manning vs Bears - Win
247 yards. 65.8 completion. 6.5 avg yards. 1 touchdown. 1 interception. 81.8% qb rating.
Manning vs Saints - Loss
333 yards. 68.9 completion. 7.4 avg yards. 1 touchdown. 1 interception. 88.5% qb rating.
Brady vs Rams - Win
145 yards. 59.3 completion. 5.4 avg yards. 1 touchdown. 86.2% qb rating.
Brady vs Panthers - Win
354 yards. 66.7 completion. 7.4 avg yards. 3 touchdowns. 1 interception. 100.5% qb rating.
Brady vs Eagles - Win
236 yards. 69.7 completion. 7.2 avg yards. 2 touchdowns. 110.2% qb rating.
Brady vs Giants - Loss
266 yards. 60.4 completion. 5.5 avg yards. 1 touchdowns. 82.5% qb rating.
Brady - Superbowl average
250 yds. 64% completion. 6.4 avg yds. 1.75 touchdowns. 0.25 interceptions. 94.8% qb rating.
Manning - Superbowl average
290 yds. 67% completion. 6.9 avg yds. 1 touchdown. 1 interception. 85% qb rating.
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i knew Manning wasn't the best out of the two when he struggled to beat the Bears (his only championship). Grossman was practically hand wrapping the game for the Colts and Peyton still struggled. -
I dont buy that. thats the propaganda they use to boost up manning. The Colts have 2 first round running backs in Brown and Adai that would have big numbers if used right. they had talent on the o line wr and te. 2 bookend de. They could play good football but they wont allow it and would want a pity party if Mannung was hurt. hell use ur team dont focus on just throwing
donald brown is ass cheeks dude -
Its easy to outplay someone when you dont have to do as much...what have the Patriots won since Brady has been anointed the GOAT?! You dont think that the correlation between the increase of passes and decrease of rushes plus their rebuilding defense matter?? Brady the last few years has seen how it feels to HAVE to score every drive because you cant trust your defense to win it for you anymore (See Pats vs Colts and the 4th down play as an example)
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Brah when the rest of your team can take the pressure off of you, it allows you to play with more confidence and complete more passes. You dont have to force throws...you can play safe and punt then trust your defense to either hold them to 3 or get you the ball back.
Outside of that superbowl season peyton manning has had weak defenses. Yet he has always been consistent.
Look at bradys FIRST superbowl appearance vs the rams...145 yards? ? he DOMINATED that game LOL
For a young quarterback to NOT have that pressure on him on the big stage and still manage to get a win and be celebrated boosts his confidence and morale alot man. Peyton has never had the luxury to go out there and throw for ? 145 and win a big game..... -
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i knew Manning wasn't the best out of the two when he struggled to beat the Bears (his only championship). Grossman was practically hand wrapping the game for the Colts and Peyton still struggled.
Manning wasnt playing Grossman tho...he was Playing the Bears D...a Tampa 2 d that likes to sit back and make you run it...hence why Dominic Rhodes had such a great game...its easy when its always 7 or 6 in the box...but you just look at numbers...while i look at the football.... -
Its easy to outplay someone when you dont have to do as much...what have the Patriots won since Brady has been anointed the GOAT?! You dont think that the correlation between the increase of passes and decrease of rushes plus their rebuilding defense matter?? Brady the last few years has seen how it feels to HAVE to score every drive because you cant trust your defense to win it for you anymore (See Pats vs Colts and the 4th down play as an example)
Brady: One Madden 2011 Rookie level with catch turned to 99% reception by David Tyree away from a perfect season
Manning: A pick 6 against New Orleans.
The difference, Brady won the game. Tyree just was on some other ? that day. Manning lost it. -
Yet Brady outplayed Manning in almost every Superbowl he's been in.
im confused. did any of yall read the opening post?
no he out played the rams, panthers and eagles defenses. with the only legitimate good Defense being the eagles so he gets some props for that. giants defense got in his ass, tho -
Brah when the rest of your team can take the pressure off of you, it allows you to play with more confidence and complete more passes. You dont have to force throws...you can play safe and punt then trust your defense to either hold them to 3 or get you the ball back.
Outside of that superbowl season peyton manning has had weak defenses. Yet he has always been consistent.
Look at bradys FIRST superbowl appearance vs the rams...145 yards? ? he DOMINATED that game LOL
For a young quarterback to NOT have that pressure on him on the big stage and still manage to get a win and be celebrated boosts his confidence and morale alot man. Peyton has never had the luxury to go out there and throw for ? 145 and win a big game.....
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Manning wasnt playing Grossman tho...he was Playing the Bears D...a Tampa 2 d that likes to sit back and make you run it...hence why Dominic Rhodes had such a great game...its easy when its always 7 or 6 in the box...but you just look at numbers...while i look at the football....
so how do you explain Manning playing the same against New Orleans, a team notoriously known for their weak D?
