Lil Junkie Finally Issues Apology To Family Of Emmett Till.. Update: Till Family rejects "apology"..
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I can't even begin to explain how i don't give a ? about either sides in this issue. ? wayne and ? till's family.
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Word? I had no idea people other than blacks frequented this site or used the internet. thank you knowledgeable one for your supreme intelligence.
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SheerExcellence wrote: »let everyone be crystal clear on what happened here:
1) neither this nor rick ross, were free speech issues. free speech is when government outlaws you from speaking about things. a private company can do whatever they want
2) ross was not fired for ? lyric and wayne was not fired for disrespecting emmett till. it is because both of these dudes played it off like it was no big deal and then issued apologies that weren't really apologies. if ross or wayne has simply said on the first day the blogs blew these stories up, "i am sorry for my words. I made a big error in judgment, i do not condone ? (disrespecting emmett till) i will donate money to ? foundation (NAACP) and i will make efforts not to ever cross this line again" then everything would be fine.
but they put on that cool hood ? stance, trying to play it cool. "i aint apologizing" is what they first said. then they kept up with that ? . no fortune 500 company is going to stand up for someone being so brazen. this is why they were let go. not cause of the line itself, it was their poor follow-up.
Powerful
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rapmastermind wrote: »Wow. Pepsi Dropped Wayne. Ross and Wayne both lost money over lyrics. But when you think about it, both were terrible wrong punchlines and lyrics. Again I'm not for cencership of artist. But when you have endorsements you have to understand Pepsi and Reebok appeal to many different demographics. Meek Mill was right that these companies profit off Hip Hop but when things get tough they will kick rappers to curb but Ross and Waynes lyrics were terrible as far as punchlines and message. I'm torn, I think a rapper should rap about whatever they want but at the same time just cause you have freedom of speech doesn't mean people can't question that speech. But I don't feel bad for Wayne. The Emmitt till line was a discrace to not only Emmitt but Black History, real talk.
Sounds like you just explained why being a rapper who sells out is bad thing. Hell, it's why being a sellout used to be a bad thing. You didn't want anyone telling you what you can and can't say.
Nowadays, rappers all sellout and then think they can say what they want. And when they realize that's not the case, they get all upset like they're being restricted as artists. Truth is, when you sell out like that, you lose part of your artistic license. And in rap, it's important to maintain that for legitimacy purposes.
That's why I get disgusted by these half-assed non-apologies. It's literally just attempts by these artists to have their cake and eat it too. They're just trying to remain a corporate shill for a few dollars at the expense of ? victims, or victims of racial violence in the American South.
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This just proves these cats are1. too full of themselves,2 are not putting any thought into what they're saying and 3.Got too many yes men around them. Wayne is just stealing money, especially on his features. He going in the booth without writing. One take babble, babble. Cut that check and on to the next suckas that need me on their song for a hit. Mfs be dissin Drake, but at least he still writing and thinking about what he spitting.
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[img]http://www.troll.me/images/red-foreman322/you-get-the-? -outta-here.jpg[/img]tompetrez3 wrote: »SheerExcellence wrote: »tompetrez3 wrote: »themadlionsfan wrote: »tompetrez3 wrote: »How did Wayne getting dropped improve race relations in America? Is that ? ass family close to getting justice for that boy or are they still looking for another handout. It's cool. At the end of the day Wayne is alive and ? white ? that emmitt till could only dream about.
? what the ? are you talking about?....he whistled at a white woman....he whistled at everybody because he had a stuttering problem....and his mother told him to whistle to help him better the problem.....dude...you and Wayne must be having sex because your responses are not normal on any level
Im tired of the old generation of black ? blaming all of America problems on hip hop. How did they manage to hear the line? Oh through nationwide distribution from universal media. They are the peddlers of this ? line not Wayne. Wayne didnt put the ? song out himself. Universal and epic making more money off karate chop than Wayne so they need to go at universal records. Getting him cut out his Mountain Dew deal was a ? move because they were pulling for straws. Hip hop is the black man platform for free expression. Who are they to say what Wayne can't say. If they don't like the line cut the ? song off simple as that. ? Pepsi and reebok. ? the tills. A ? has no type of freedom in 2013. We worse off than emmitt till days. ? whites, Mexicans, Arabs, Africans, police, media, schools and other blacks want us off the face off the earth. ? all y'all.
ok let me see if i understand your point. you saying its okay for wayne to say bad things about "old ? " (who died for lil wayne's rights, by the way), but it is not okay for the "old ? " to say bad things about what lil wayne says?
so in essence u are saying its okay to say foul ? about emmett till's and rosa parks and malcom x's but it is NOT okay to say bad things about lil wayne in response?
It seems like this is what you are ultimately saying, and if thats the case, then you need to ask urself if perhaps you are hanging on wayne's nuts a little too much.
He didnt say nothing foul about him. He actually telling the truth emmitt got beat. What's so wrong or disrespectful about that? I mean if the family keeps on reviving the ? played out sob story over and over we might as well call it as it is. Yes he got beat so Wayne didnt say anything disrespectful. He has a right to say whatever he wants in his lyrics. Once again if they felt so bad about the line they should of went at universal instead of Wayne. Like if anybody give a ? about Mountain Dew dropping Wayne. There are more opportunities out there for him because Wayne is a PROGRESSIVE southerner instead of living in the past like a ? ? scared of white folks like the Tills.
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It's hilarious how a lot of ? flip flopped in here. A lot of you ? was defending jayz when he made a line about that ? that got lit by the feds and ? on dudes son when he vocalized he didn't like jayz line
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Law Trafalgar wrote: »It's hilarious how a lot of ? flip flopped in here. A lot of you ? was defending jayz when he made a line about that ? that got lit by the feds and ? on dudes son when he vocalized he didn't like jayz line
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Law Trafalgar wrote: »It's hilarious how a lot of ? flip flopped in here. A lot of you ? was defending jayz when he made a line about that ? that got lit by the feds and ? on dudes son when he vocalized he didn't like jayz line
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Law Trafalgar wrote: »It's hilarious how a lot of ? flip flopped in here. A lot of you ? was defending jayz when he made a line about that ? that got lit by the feds and ? on dudes son when he vocalized he didn't like jayz line
Fred Hampton's son huh?
LMAO he called Jay "Slave Z" or some ? like that .. .
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Law Trafalgar wrote: »It's hilarious how a lot of ? flip flopped in here. A lot of you ? was defending jayz when he made a line about that ? that got lit by the feds and ? on dudes son when he vocalized he didn't like jayz line
At least, draw a suitable comparison. The Fred Hampton controversy was a an exercise in hypersensitivity on the part of his son, which in his defense is understandable. He has every right to be ultra sensitive about his pops, but the line wasn't offensive. I don't think anybody can even point out where it was offensive. Can't be compared with Wayne's morally egregious and utterly indefensible lyric. Jay could have apologized. I'm just not sure what he would have been apologizing for, other than saying Fred Hampton's name.
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obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Law Trafalgar wrote: »It's hilarious how a lot of ? flip flopped in here. A lot of you ? was defending jayz when he made a line about that ? that got lit by the feds and ? on dudes son when he vocalized he didn't like jayz line
At least, draw a suitable comparison. The Fred Hampton controversy was a an exercise in hypersensitivity on the part of his son, which in his defense is understandable. He has every right to be ultra sensitive about his pops, but the line wasn't offensive. I don't think anybody can even point out where it was offensive. Can't be compared with Wayne's morally egregious and utterly indefensible lyric. Jay could have apologized. I'm just not sure what he would have been apologizing for, other than saying Fred Hampton's name.
I didn't co-sign Jay when he did that Fred Hampton line..
Any African American Hip Hop artist that doesn't respect or denounce their history and put MONEY over it is suspect.
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Disciplined InSight wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Law Trafalgar wrote: »It's hilarious how a lot of ? flip flopped in here. A lot of you ? was defending jayz when he made a line about that ? that got lit by the feds and ? on dudes son when he vocalized he didn't like jayz line
At least, draw a suitable comparison. The Fred Hampton controversy was a an exercise in hypersensitivity on the part of his son, which in his defense is understandable. He has every right to be ultra sensitive about his pops, but the line wasn't offensive. I don't think anybody can even point out where it was offensive. Can't be compared with Wayne's morally egregious and utterly indefensible lyric. Jay could have apologized. I'm just not sure what he would have been apologizing for, other than saying Fred Hampton's name.
I didn't co-sign Jay when he did that Fred Hampton line..
Any African American Hip Hop artist that doesn't respect or denounce their history and put MONEY over it is suspect.
"I arrived on the day Fred Hampton died/ Real ? just multiply"
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Jay's Fred Hampton line was true though. Hampton died on December 4 1969, Jay was born December 4 1969.
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Only reason why Hampton's son was tripping cuz Jay does not stand for the ? Fred do..
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The Emmett Till family's campaign to see action taken against Lil Wayne found success yesterday when Mountain Dew dropped Lil Wayne as a sponsor. Today, the Till family reacts publicly to the news and now hopes to put the saga behind them.
According to AllHipHop, Airickca Gordon-Taylor, Executive Director of Mamie Till Mobley Foundation, made the following statement in reaction to the news.
“Back in February, when I first heard the lyrics, I was in utter shock, disappointment and sadness. Just as Mamie Till Mobley didn’t endure the pain of losing Emmett Till alone, many people have stood in solidarity with our family, even if it wasn’t the most popular stand to take.
“The road less traveled is surely not the easiest but standing for your principles provides the endurance needed to fight for human and civil rights. This decision was monumental, we commend Mountain Dew for taking action towards better social responsibility, and now I finally feel that we can exhale and focus on our beloved Mamie Till Mobley’s charge... Let’s get on with the business of positive thinking and living.”
Simeon Wright, an eyewitness to the kidnapping of Emmett Till also made a statement in reaction to the news.
“This is beyond my expectations, I’m pleased that it happened and it shouldn’t waited for public outcry. Anything that belittles or degrades the memory of Emmett Till shouldn’t be in the public square,” He said. “Racism is still out there. Whatever you listen too, whatever you do, get an education. ‘Don’t let this system destroy you.’”
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Disciplined InSight wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Law Trafalgar wrote: »It's hilarious how a lot of ? flip flopped in here. A lot of you ? was defending jayz when he made a line about that ? that got lit by the feds and ? on dudes son when he vocalized he didn't like jayz line
At least, draw a suitable comparison. The Fred Hampton controversy was a an exercise in hypersensitivity on the part of his son, which in his defense is understandable. He has every right to be ultra sensitive about his pops, but the line wasn't offensive. I don't think anybody can even point out where it was offensive. Can't be compared with Wayne's morally egregious and utterly indefensible lyric. Jay could have apologized. I'm just not sure what he would have been apologizing for, other than saying Fred Hampton's name.
I didn't co-sign Jay when he did that Fred Hampton line..
Any African American Hip Hop artist that doesn't respect or denounce their history and put MONEY over it is suspect.
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obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Disciplined InSight wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »Law Trafalgar wrote: »It's hilarious how a lot of ? flip flopped in here. A lot of you ? was defending jayz when he made a line about that ? that got lit by the feds and ? on dudes son when he vocalized he didn't like jayz line
At least, draw a suitable comparison. The Fred Hampton controversy was a an exercise in hypersensitivity on the part of his son, which in his defense is understandable. He has every right to be ultra sensitive about his pops, but the line wasn't offensive. I don't think anybody can even point out where it was offensive. Can't be compared with Wayne's morally egregious and utterly indefensible lyric. Jay could have apologized. I'm just not sure what he would have been apologizing for, other than saying Fred Hampton's name.
I didn't co-sign Jay when he did that Fred Hampton line..
Any African American Hip Hop artist that doesn't respect or denounce their history and put MONEY over it is suspect.
"I arrived on the day Fred Hampton died/ Real ? just multiply"
Is that really what we talkin bout? What we talkin bout?
Technically Fred Hampton was killed on December 4th which is Jay's b'day, but the context of "real ? multiply" in what Junior was talking about didn't fit Jay because he's not in the same fight as his father was...I guess in that matter Fred Jr. was wondering "since when did Jay-Z was a real ? when he's not speaking on the issues and things my father did yet he's chopping it up with these rich White men in the industry everyday?"
Much as the fact that Emmett Till was beaten severely and killed for whistling at a white woman the context of Wayne using it for a sexual innuendo to having rough sex with a female wasn't in the right frame metaphorically.
The Wayne brigade probably would think: Yeah Wayne was ? a snowbunny beating that ? up in the name of Emmett Till. -
I thought Jr's problem with Jay's lyrics was because he said "died" when he was assassinated.
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ROZAYTABERNACLE wrote: »I thought Jr's problem with Jay's lyrics was because he said "died" when he was assassinated.
Maybe..I don't know. But Fred Hampton did die from assassination from police slugs...that's true.
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But the warriors all descended on Hampton Jr. in that thread I remember ... calling him all sorts
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I didnt think they would do it props to Pepsi.
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after reading thru this thread some of you ? ride wayne's ? more than a 1000 groupie hoes ever could. you ? -guzzling, star-struck dimwits are seriously beyond ? and pathetic. and to think some of y'all do or will have children, that is terrifying
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Disciplined InSight wrote: »Technically Fred Hampton was killed on December 4th which is Jay's b'day, but the context of "real ? multiply" in what Junior was talking about didn't fit Jay because he's not in the same fight as his father was...I guess in that matter Fred Jr. was wondering "since when did Jay-Z was a real ? when he's not speaking on the issues and things my father did yet he's chopping it up with these rich White men in the industry everyday?"
Much as the fact that Emmett Till was beaten severely and killed for whistling at a white woman the context of Wayne using it for a sexual innuendo to having rough sex with a female wasn't in the right frame metaphorically.
The Wayne brigade probably would think: Yeah Wayne was ? a snowbunny beating that ? up in the name of Emmett Till.
I guess I see where you're going but lets just work from a premise of decency and tact for a minute. You have one guy who in his illusions of grandeur makes an unfair comparison of himself to a civil rights martyr. And while that may be ridiculous and unreasonable, those lines simply do not occupy the same moral ledger as Wayne's. Not in the authors intent, nor the actual meaning behind them. Wayne trivialized the murder of a CHILD with an attempt to be provocative. Not just a child's murder, but the most brutal and heinous slaughter that we've come to know, which incidentally was the impetus of the civil rights movement. Nobody was offended by Jay's line after hearing them initially. I could set my ears on fire after hearing that Wayne line. He is disgusting, the line was appalling, the jay comparison is ? . -
^:)^after reading thru this thread some of you ? ride wayne's ? more than a 1000 groupie hoes ever could. you ? -guzzling, star-struck dimwits are seriously beyond ? and pathetic. and to think some of y'all do or will have children, that is terrifying
