X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)
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Kool Moo Dee sunglasses lol
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The best thing they ever did about these movies is not include Jubilee and her weak ass superpowers. ? that ? , her fireworks and her Kool Moe Dee sunglasses.
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Jubilee has cameo appearances in all three X-Men films, portrayed by Katrina Florece in X-Men and by Kea Wong in X2: X-Men United and X-Men: The Last Stand. In the first film, Jubilee appears only as an extra in Professor Xavier's and Storm's classrooms. However, she is identified by name in a deleted scene, in which she talks to Kitty Pryde and Rogue. In X2, Jubilee appears in a deleted version of the museum scene which gives a brief introduction to her powers as blue electricity crackles around her fingers. Jubilee is among the six kidnapped young mutants that Storm and Nightcrawler rescue. She can be heard calling Storm's name and is shown running to safety with the X-Men and can be seen in the X-Jet. She also appears in the final classroom scene and briefly talks to Professor Xavier. She appears within the first ten minutes of X-Men: The Last Stand, and can be seen sitting in the classroom.
In the novelization of X2, Jubilee has a more substantial role than in the film. During the raid on the mansion by General Stryker and his troops, Jubilee absorbs the electricity from a taser and blasts an enemy troop through a wall before being shot with tranquilizer darts. She also is a sort of mentor to the other captured X-Kids, rallying their morale and telling them that the X-Men will come to their rescue.
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If wolverine 3 happens I want to see him take a trip to the savage land and omega red as the main villain
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^^^ Uh, yeah. But there's no such thing as blue or gray people. So it's not unreasonable for us to expect a black actor cast in the role then add the necessary make-up/SFX. Apocalypse is still Egyptian by birth even though he looks different
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Just caught the flick. Suprised me. I thought it was great. Read just about everything wikipedia said about apocolypse. Cant wait for the next one
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Nonsensical
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I dunno. I still feel like 'Poc always at least had Black features. No, in X-Men comic book lure he is technically not black and is grey/blue. But...look at dude. If you had to cast a movie, wouldn't your first thought be to paint a black dude grey/blue to really embody the character? It just feels like they went so out of their way by casting the whitest, pointiest nose, no lips lil kid they could find...
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I just got done seeing it for myself. I didn't mind reading the spoilers because although X1, X2, and X3 were good and I really really liked First Class, I absolutely hated Origins. It ruined the franchise for me so much that I refused to see The Wolverine and the fact that I ended up seeing First Class on Showtime only made me interested enough to read spoilers.
I walked out of the theater wondering one thing: Is this better than Captain America 2? After I was Cap 2, I was pretty much sold that it was a top 5 superhero adaption of all time, ranking possibly right behind The Dark Knight. Is it better than First Class? Yes, because it takes that dynamic that the core cast had and merges it with the original cast flawlessly. The action scenes were jaw dropping with the future Sentinels as well as the Quicksilver scenes. The only X Men movie to come close to this level of action was X3, as First Class was more story driven than special effects/action driven. This movie provided the perfect balance between comedy, substance, action, effects, and a worth while script.
Since mostly everyone has already spoken on this, I'll just respond to some of the stuff I've read:
1. Some people are saying that a lot of characters went under-utilized and that the future mutants (Blink, Bishop, etc.) lacked character development. No offense, but this is a ? complaint. Do you realize that 99% of movies have a shitload of characters and only a handful of them get character development? Had those future mutants not been included, these same people probably would've complained about the lack of new mutants, yet Fox has made a conscious effort to include new mutants in every new movie. Who knows, with all of the time jumping that they've done throughout this franchise, we could get backstories on some of these mutants but obviously they all aren't going to get a thorough origin movie. It's simply too many mutants to spend time delving into every character like that. It's enough that they were included, their power was showcased properly, and they were used effectively to further the story. For this movie, we didn't need to know who Blink was or where Bishop came from. Point is, it's the future, ? 's ? up, and these are the final mutant resistance.
2. I was probably one of the few people that didn't start throwing a fit over the still pictures of Quicksilver or the Sentinels. Without context, you have very little to go on discussing a picture. Turns out Quicksilver was very well done as well as both versions of Sentinels. I know some people here like to get offended when you tell them to chill out and not make snap judgement based on a lack of information, but I could go back pages in this thread and quote people who ? and moaned about how "Quicksilver looks sooooooo ? !" and "Those Sentinels look like vacuum cleaner playtoys!" Now those complainers look like ? because the movie came out and everything makes complete sense.
3. I, like many, hated Fox's oversaturation of Wolverine. Yeah, he was a favorite in the X-Men continuity but we ended up getting 5 movies where he was the center of the story, even when he wasn't supposed to be. This movie had balance. They used Hugh Jackman as a bridge to showcase the James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, Jennifer Lawrence, Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart, and Nicholas Hoult with aboslute finesse. I still hate Halle Berry as Storm, but it was nice seeing everyone (shout out to Kelsey Grammer's cameo) again.
4. My reaction to young Charles Xavier reading Logan's mind, seeing what happened to him and remarking "You poor man...":
5. My reaction to old Charles Xavier telling young Xavier that his power lies in the ability to bear the pain of others and to simply hope:
Fox has been losing to Marvel since the MCU was established, but with First Class and Days Of Future's Past, Fox is back and it's becoming less clear of who is making the best movies. And it's becoming even less clear knowing that the man who wrote this script is also writing the Fantastic Four script. Yeah... Marvel is in for some heavy competition and it ain't just WB/DC that they have to worry about. Is this better than The Dark Knight? No. Is this better than Captain America: The Winter Soldier? Let it marinate for a while, but my initial answer is YES. This movie is every bit the political thriller that Cap 2 was but also tapped into the philosophical aspect that made TDK series and Man of Steel so well received.
9/10 based on first watch
IF YOU HATED X-MEN ORIGINS AND THE WOLVERINE, YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS MOVIE -
@pissedoffnobody they want eddie murphy as apacolypse bryh
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So this movie mean nothing between x1 to x3 didng happen?
So stryker alive? Sabretooth lady deathstirke etc?
I still havnt seen it smh -
I don't think all of the movies were wiped out completely, just key things were taken out and we'll see what Fox and Singer decide to keep out of X1, X2, X3, Origins, and The Wolverine. Obviously, the metal claws have to find their way to present time, Beast becoming politically active, the school returning to normal, etc.
And as much as I know it won't happen, it would be nice to see the Phoenix saga done correctly after Apocalypse. -
x3 was butt sauce the action was wack only thing good was the short ass fight between wolvie and juggernaut
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I'm sure he would of ? that role
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the reason he white is because of Evan, once he reborn as a white kid in the comics it was a wrap
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None of the previous movies happened. You could still enjoy them of course but the events of those movies don't mean ? within the internal canon of the film series, not even Singer's. He basically did what comic books do all the time and rebooted within an existing continuity.
He was smart enough to wipe the slate clean so that he could retell the story without any creative limitations in the future. Now he could fill in that 50 year gap between the events of this movie in the 70's and it's ending however he wants because the timeline we see at the end is an alternate one to the one portrayed in the previous movies.
Just like with JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. In other words they are not creatively handicapped by the events of the previous movies and could do whatever they want for here on out which is the smart thing to do if you want to breathe new life into the series. That way you could tell fresh X-Men stories and not be predictable because everybody in the audience "knows how things turn out in the future". That includes even introducing Wolverine to the team in the 90's in a future sequel and not the year 2000 like previously established and making Angel one of the original X-Men. -
pissedoffnobody wrote: »None of the previous movies happened. You could still enjoy them of course but the events of those movies don't mean ? within the internal canon of the film series, not even Singer's. He basically did what comic books do all the time and rebooted within an existing continuity.
He was smart enough to wipe the slate clean so that he could retell the story without any creative limitations in the future. Now he could fill in that 50 year gap between the events of this movie in the 70's and it's ending however he wants because the timeline we see at the end is an alternate one to the one portrayed in the previous movies.
Just like with JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. In other words they are not creatively handicapped by the events of the previous movies and could do whatever they want for here on out which is the smart thing to do if you want to breathe new life into the series. That way you could tell fresh X-Men stories and not be predictable because everybody in the audience "knows how things turn out in the future". That includes even introducing Wolverine to the team in the 90's in a future sequel and not the year 2000 like previously established and making Angel one of the original X-Men.
So in your view now even First Class and the 70s scenes from DOFP may not have happened?
First Class and the sections with that movie's cast in this one are the exception since it's obviously the genesis of this new timeline. Just look at Mystique's arc for example. She is now being molded into the anti-hero role she has had in the comic books for a long while now. As opposed to the blatant villain that she was in the first 3 movies.
But you know how FC completely blatantly contradicted details from every other movie in the series? well people no longer have to ? about that because those details are invalid in the continuity now anyway.
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pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »None of the previous movies happened. You could still enjoy them of course but the events of those movies don't mean ? within the internal canon of the film series, not even Singer's. He basically did what comic books do all the time and rebooted within an existing continuity.
He was smart enough to wipe the slate clean so that he could retell the story without any creative limitations in the future. Now he could fill in that 50 year gap between the events of this movie in the 70's and it's ending however he wants because the timeline we see at the end is an alternate one to the one portrayed in the previous movies.
Just like with JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. In other words they are not creatively handicapped by the events of the previous movies and could do whatever they want for here on out which is the smart thing to do if you want to breathe new life into the series. That way you could tell fresh X-Men stories and not be predictable because everybody in the audience "knows how things turn out in the future". That includes even introducing Wolverine to the team in the 90's in a future sequel and not the year 2000 like previously established and making Angel one of the original X-Men.
So in your view now even First Class and the 70s scenes from DOFP may not have happened?
First Class and the sections with that movie's cast in this one are the exception since it's obviously the genesis of this new timeline. Just look at Mystique's arc for example. She is now being molded into the anti-hero role she has had in the comic books for a long while now. As opposed to the blatant villain that she was in the first 3 movies.
But you know how FC completely blatantly contradicted details from every other movie in the series? well people no longer have to ? about that because those details are invalid in the continuity now anyway.
Alright. I was going to say if you mean since the ? future didn't happen, Logan couldn't have really been sent back to do ? and if he did, it makes no sense he'd leave them and get caught up with Department H so Wolverine:Origins and everything after couldn't have happened, I was going to see where you went with that because honestly I think most of that complex stuff would go over the head of the casual audience, they'd just know X3 couldn't have went down the way it did since Jean and Prof X were alive.
Most people will understand with future movies when the stuff they thought they knew no longer pans out that way. Of course sci-fi and comic book fans would get it even quicker than they that which is how I completely understood what happened before I even walked out of the theater.
The time travel trope is clear enough by now in that regard when it comes to the narrative language. There was no need to blatantly spell it out when they were nuanced enough in delivering the same message. It thankfully didn't insult the audience and expected them to be sharp enough to keep up. For that I give them credit cause not many big budget movies do that anymore.
Time travel stories always have paradoxes but I'll explain it as easy as I can. You see how in Back to the Future Marty McFly leaves his ? present and comes back to an ideal future that is nothing like the one he left? that's the same way Wolverine's consciousness left the ? future that happened after the trilogy and came back to the one he now exists in.
Their interference in the past created a new branch on the tree of time. Parallel but different from the branch they intially left. An alternate path was created and the future they returned to was within that alternate path and not the one they initially left. -
soul rattler wrote: »
And as much as I know it won't happen, it would be nice to see the Phoenix saga done correctly after Apocalypse.
Actually now it could very much happen and it likely will too. Especially since Singer and his team always had their own ideas about how they would like to take on that story. This movie was pretty faithful to the DOFP story from the comics despite the fact that it changed many details like an adaptation always would.
For instance the ? up Sentinel filled future with concentration camps in a post-apocalyptic NYC still happened because Mystique kills an important social/political figure in the past. In the comics it being Senator Kelly and in the movie Bolivar Trask. Kitty Pryde also plays a key role in the story despite Wolverine absorbing the bulk of her arc from the book and even if her role in the movie was kinda superflous to an extent.
Like the comic story it also introduced new elements of their own that would impact the future of the storytelling after it (in the comic Rachel Summers in the movie the retconning of all the previous films). So I'm not too worried about how they'd handle the Dark Phoenix saga in terms of fidelity. Based on what was done with this movie I'm now sure the basic and key fundamentals will still be there.
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Obviously it's not a completely clean slate. They didn't do any recasts, with the exception of the sooncoming Gambit, and as far as we know Mystique and Magneto are not in league with Professor X. Things may not have happened as they did in X1, X2, X3, Origins, and The Wolverine, but that doesn't mean that certain events just happened DIFFERENTLY. We won't know exactly what changed as a result of DOFP until we see Apocalypse.
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1. You don't need to recast to have a clean slate. [I.E.: Sean Connery in Never Say Never Again, Leonard Nimoy in Star Trek (2009)]
2. If certain events happened differently at all then that means the events you're familiar with no longer exist in the first place.
Thusly the previous movies are all invalid when it comes to the new timeline. Doesn't make them any lesser in quality and it doesn't mean you can no longer buy them in the stores if you'd like. Just that from here on out nobody has to worry about being faithful to the events of those movies anymore. They could pretty much do whatever they want. The sky's the limit in terms of the stories they could tell that cover the period from the 1980's to the 2020's.
I'm pretty sure and I say this as a creative writer myself that Singer and his team did this for the sake of having as much uninhibited creative freedom as possible in the future with these movies which was very smart. He got to have his cake (give a fond farewell to the previous timeline he created) and eat it too (create a new timeline that allows him to fill the blank canvas as he well pleases). -
soul rattler wrote: »I just got done seeing it for myself. I didn't mind reading the spoilers because although X1, X2, and X3 were good and I really really liked First Class, I absolutely hated Origins. It ruined the franchise for me so much that I refused to see The Wolverine and the fact that I ended up seeing First Class on Showtime only made me interested enough to read spoilers.
I walked out of the theater wondering one thing: Is this better than Captain America 2? After I was Cap 2, I was pretty much sold that it was a top 5 superhero adaption of all time, ranking possibly right behind The Dark Knight. Is it better than First Class? Yes, because it takes that dynamic that the core cast had and merges it with the original cast flawlessly. The action scenes were jaw dropping with the future Sentinels as well as the Quicksilver scenes. The only X Men movie to come close to this level of action was X3, as First Class was more story driven than special effects/action driven. This movie provided the perfect balance between comedy, substance, action, effects, and a worth while script.
Since mostly everyone has already spoken on this, I'll just respond to some of the stuff I've read:
1. Some people are saying that a lot of characters went under-utilized and that the future mutants (Blink, Bishop, etc.) lacked character development. No offense, but this is a ? complaint. Do you realize that 99% of movies have a shitload of characters and only a handful of them get character development? Had those future mutants not been included, these same people probably would've complained about the lack of new mutants, yet Fox has made a conscious effort to include new mutants in every new movie. Who knows, with all of the time jumping that they've done throughout this franchise, we could get backstories on some of these mutants but obviously they all aren't going to get a thorough origin movie. It's simply too many mutants to spend time delving into every character like that. It's enough that they were included, their power was showcased properly, and they were used effectively to further the story. For this movie, we didn't need to know who Blink was or where Bishop came from. Point is, it's the future, ? 's ? up, and these are the final mutant resistance.
2. I was probably one of the few people that didn't start throwing a fit over the still pictures of Quicksilver or the Sentinels. Without context, you have very little to go on discussing a picture. Turns out Quicksilver was very well done as well as both versions of Sentinels. I know some people here like to get offended when you tell them to chill out and not make snap judgement based on a lack of information, but I could go back pages in this thread and quote people who ? and moaned about how "Quicksilver looks sooooooo ? !" and "Those Sentinels look like vacuum cleaner playtoys!" Now those complainers look like ? because the movie came out and everything makes complete sense.
3. I, like many, hated Fox's oversaturation of Wolverine. Yeah, he was a favorite in the X-Men continuity but we ended up getting 5 movies where he was the center of the story, even when he wasn't supposed to be. This movie had balance. They used Hugh Jackman as a bridge to showcase the James McAvoy, Michael Fassbender, Jennifer Lawrence, Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart, and Nicholas Hoult with aboslute finesse. I still hate Halle Berry as Storm, but it was nice seeing everyone (shout out to Kelsey Grammer's cameo) again.
4. My reaction to young Charles Xavier reading Logan's mind, seeing what happened to him and remarking "You poor man...":
5. My reaction to old Charles Xavier telling young Xavier that his power lies in the ability to bear the pain of others and to simply hope:
Fox has been losing to Marvel since the MCU was established, but with First Class and Days Of Future's Past, Fox is back and it's becoming less clear of who is making the best movies. And it's becoming even less clear knowing that the man who wrote this script is also writing the Fantastic Four script. Yeah... Marvel is in for some heavy competition and it ain't just WB/DC that they have to worry about. Is this better than The Dark Knight? No. Is this better than Captain America: The Winter Soldier? Let it marinate for a while, but my initial answer is YES. This movie is every bit the political thriller that Cap 2 was but also tapped into the philosophical aspect that made TDK series and Man of Steel so well received.
9/10 based on first watch
IF YOU HATED X-MEN ORIGINS AND THE WOLVERINE, YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS MOVIE
In my opinion this movie came nowhere near ca 2. im not sure what movie you saw but i think this movie lacked action. what actions scenes were there in the first half? the attacks on trask?? going after mystique? the sentinels in action were cool but it wasnt back and forth it was more like fatality scenes. When the action finally started to pick up in the end with magneto and the sentinels....the movie was over. and def dissapointed we didnt see the present sentinels in action more than 2 mins. even the character development, xavier got over magneto paralyzing him way too fast. a ? paralyze me from the waist down you think we gon be playin chest after one punch and a few hours????so while it wasnt a bad movie, with both casts being in it, and the survival of the mutant race at stake i expected a much more action orientated blowout movie. 9/10 def reachin. more like 6.5 or 7. -
pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »None of the previous movies happened. You could still enjoy them of course but the events of those movies don't mean ? within the internal canon of the film series, not even Singer's. He basically did what comic books do all the time and rebooted within an existing continuity.
He was smart enough to wipe the slate clean so that he could retell the story without any creative limitations in the future. Now he could fill in that 50 year gap between the events of this movie in the 70's and it's ending however he wants because the timeline we see at the end is an alternate one to the one portrayed in the previous movies.
Just like with JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. In other words they are not creatively handicapped by the events of the previous movies and could do whatever they want for here on out which is the smart thing to do if you want to breathe new life into the series. That way you could tell fresh X-Men stories and not be predictable because everybody in the audience "knows how things turn out in the future". That includes even introducing Wolverine to the team in the 90's in a future sequel and not the year 2000 like previously established and making Angel one of the original X-Men.
So in your view now even First Class and the 70s scenes from DOFP may not have happened?
First Class and the sections with that movie's cast in this one are the exception since it's obviously the genesis of this new timeline. Just look at Mystique's arc for example. She is now being molded into the anti-hero role she has had in the comic books for a long while now. As opposed to the blatant villain that she was in the first 3 movies.
But you know how FC completely blatantly contradicted details from every other movie in the series? well people no longer have to ? about that because those details are invalid in the continuity now anyway.
Alright. I was going to say if you mean since the ? future didn't happen, Logan couldn't have really been sent back to do ? and if he did, it makes no sense he'd leave them and get caught up with Department H so Wolverine:Origins and everything after couldn't have happened, I was going to see where you went with that because honestly I think most of that complex stuff would go over the head of the casual audience, they'd just know X3 couldn't have went down the way it did since Jean and Prof X were alive.
Most people will understand with future movies when the stuff they thought they knew no longer pans out that way. Of course sci-fi and comic book fans would get it even quicker than they that which is how I completely understood what happened before I even walked out of the theater.
The time travel trope is clear enough by now in that regard when it comes to the narrative language. There was no need to blatantly spell it out when they were nuanced enough in delivering the same message. It thankfully didn't insult the audience and expected them to be sharp enough to keep up. For that I give them credit cause not many big budget movies do that anymore.
Time travel stories always have paradoxes but I'll explain it as easy as I can. You see how in Back to the Future Marty McFly leaves his ? present and comes back to an ideal future that is nothing like the one he left? that's the same way Wolverine's consciousness left the ? future that happened after the trilogy and came back to the one he now exists in.
Their interference in the past created a new branch on the tree of time. Parallel but different from the branch they intially left. An alternate path was created and the future they returned to was within that alternate path and not the one they initially left.
Oh, I get it, it's the future with changes since Jean is still alive, but to appreciate that you have to understand the bond they had in the previous movies. So there is still the time between DOFP's rewrite and X-Men they can tap into using the first class cast but it does seem like X-Men has happened, if not X-2 and definitely not X-Men 3: The Last Stand. But the insistence Wolverine would remember it all even if noone else did would have precluder Wolverine from the ? he got involved in Wolverine:Origins, he'd have forgot everything due to the amnesia bullet that happened in DOFP and still ended up at the start of X-Men with a foggy memory until X-2.
I don't know if you read comic books and if you do if you're familiar with DC Comics. In the 80's they had a story called Crisis on Infinite Earths that basically rebooted their entire universe. But even with that happening there was one character that remembered the previous DC Universe while still existing in the new one created at the end of that story. His name was ? Pirate and Jackman's Wolverine is basically the ? Pirate of this film series now.
Obviously he feels a special way about Jean because of what he remembers. However in her mind their bond was triggered a completely different way than how it played out in X-Men - X-Men: The Last Stand. Which is why Professor X tells him that he has to fill him in on the details of the past 50 years because they have played out differently from what he knows. -
pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »None of the previous movies happened. You could still enjoy them of course but the events of those movies don't mean ? within the internal canon of the film series, not even Singer's. He basically did what comic books do all the time and rebooted within an existing continuity.
He was smart enough to wipe the slate clean so that he could retell the story without any creative limitations in the future. Now he could fill in that 50 year gap between the events of this movie in the 70's and it's ending however he wants because the timeline we see at the end is an alternate one to the one portrayed in the previous movies.
Just like with JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. In other words they are not creatively handicapped by the events of the previous movies and could do whatever they want for here on out which is the smart thing to do if you want to breathe new life into the series. That way you could tell fresh X-Men stories and not be predictable because everybody in the audience "knows how things turn out in the future". That includes even introducing Wolverine to the team in the 90's in a future sequel and not the year 2000 like previously established and making Angel one of the original X-Men.
So in your view now even First Class and the 70s scenes from DOFP may not have happened?
First Class and the sections with that movie's cast in this one are the exception since it's obviously the genesis of this new timeline. Just look at Mystique's arc for example. She is now being molded into the anti-hero role she has had in the comic books for a long while now. As opposed to the blatant villain that she was in the first 3 movies.
But you know how FC completely blatantly contradicted details from every other movie in the series? well people no longer have to ? about that because those details are invalid in the continuity now anyway.
Alright. I was going to say if you mean since the ? future didn't happen, Logan couldn't have really been sent back to do ? and if he did, it makes no sense he'd leave them and get caught up with Department H so Wolverine:Origins and everything after couldn't have happened, I was going to see where you went with that because honestly I think most of that complex stuff would go over the head of the casual audience, they'd just know X3 couldn't have went down the way it did since Jean and Prof X were alive.
Most people will understand with future movies when the stuff they thought they knew no longer pans out that way. Of course sci-fi and comic book fans would get it even quicker than they that which is how I completely understood what happened before I even walked out of the theater.
The time travel trope is clear enough by now in that regard when it comes to the narrative language. There was no need to blatantly spell it out when they were nuanced enough in delivering the same message. It thankfully didn't insult the audience and expected them to be sharp enough to keep up. For that I give them credit cause not many big budget movies do that anymore.
Time travel stories always have paradoxes but I'll explain it as easy as I can. You see how in Back to the Future Marty McFly leaves his ? present and comes back to an ideal future that is nothing like the one he left? that's the same way Wolverine's consciousness left the ? future that happened after the trilogy and came back to the one he now exists in.
Their interference in the past created a new branch on the tree of time. Parallel but different from the branch they intially left. An alternate path was created and the future they returned to was within that alternate path and not the one they initially left.
Oh, I get it, it's the future with changes since Jean is still alive, but to appreciate that you have to understand the bond they had in the previous movies. So there is still the time between DOFP's rewrite and X-Men they can tap into using the first class cast but it does seem like X-Men has happened, if not X-2 and definitely not X-Men 3: The Last Stand. But the insistence Wolverine would remember it all even if noone else did would have precluder Wolverine from the ? he got involved in Wolverine:Origins, he'd have forgot everything due to the amnesia bullet that happened in DOFP and still ended up at the start of X-Men with a foggy memory until X-2.
I don't know if you read comic books and if you do if you're familiar with DC Comics. In the 80's they had a story called Crisis on Infinite Earths that basically rebooted their entire universe. But even with that happening there was one character that remembered the previous DC Universe while still existing in the new one created at the end of that story. His name was ? Pirate and Jackman's Wolverine is basically the ? Pirate of this film series now.
Obviously he feels a special way about Jean because of what he remembers. However in her mind their bond was triggered a completely different way than how it played out in X-Men - X-Men: The Last Stand. Which is why Professor X tells him that he has to fill him in on the details of the past 50 years because they have played out differently from what he knows.
I get it. But does he need to fill him in from the time he got hit with the bullet or did Logan not have that happen and not forget at all? I do hope they explain that part, maybe as part of a montage in the credits of the next movie, because if this is that kind of reboot then gaps need to be filled.
I never saw Origins so I don't know when he was supposed to be shot. But any events after 1973 in this movie never happened. Seeing Mystique as Stryker pick up Wolverine instead of the real Stryker himself doing the deed to trap him within Weapon X also pretty much tells us that his history has now been altered just like everything else. It's just that he will still remember everything else on top of the new history he's being filled in on. -
pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »pissedoffnobody wrote: »None of the previous movies happened. You could still enjoy them of course but the events of those movies don't mean ? within the internal canon of the film series, not even Singer's. He basically did what comic books do all the time and rebooted within an existing continuity.
He was smart enough to wipe the slate clean so that he could retell the story without any creative limitations in the future. Now he could fill in that 50 year gap between the events of this movie in the 70's and it's ending however he wants because the timeline we see at the end is an alternate one to the one portrayed in the previous movies.
Just like with JJ Abrams Star Trek movie. In other words they are not creatively handicapped by the events of the previous movies and could do whatever they want for here on out which is the smart thing to do if you want to breathe new life into the series. That way you could tell fresh X-Men stories and not be predictable because everybody in the audience "knows how things turn out in the future". That includes even introducing Wolverine to the team in the 90's in a future sequel and not the year 2000 like previously established and making Angel one of the original X-Men.
So in your view now even First Class and the 70s scenes from DOFP may not have happened?
First Class and the sections with that movie's cast in this one are the exception since it's obviously the genesis of this new timeline. Just look at Mystique's arc for example. She is now being molded into the anti-hero role she has had in the comic books for a long while now. As opposed to the blatant villain that she was in the first 3 movies.
But you know how FC completely blatantly contradicted details from every other movie in the series? well people no longer have to ? about that because those details are invalid in the continuity now anyway.
Alright. I was going to say if you mean since the ? future didn't happen, Logan couldn't have really been sent back to do ? and if he did, it makes no sense he'd leave them and get caught up with Department H so Wolverine:Origins and everything after couldn't have happened, I was going to see where you went with that because honestly I think most of that complex stuff would go over the head of the casual audience, they'd just know X3 couldn't have went down the way it did since Jean and Prof X were alive.
Most people will understand with future movies when the stuff they thought they knew no longer pans out that way. Of course sci-fi and comic book fans would get it even quicker than they that which is how I completely understood what happened before I even walked out of the theater.
The time travel trope is clear enough by now in that regard when it comes to the narrative language. There was no need to blatantly spell it out when they were nuanced enough in delivering the same message. It thankfully didn't insult the audience and expected them to be sharp enough to keep up. For that I give them credit cause not many big budget movies do that anymore.
Time travel stories always have paradoxes but I'll explain it as easy as I can. You see how in Back to the Future Marty McFly leaves his ? present and comes back to an ideal future that is nothing like the one he left? that's the same way Wolverine's consciousness left the ? future that happened after the trilogy and came back to the one he now exists in.
Their interference in the past created a new branch on the tree of time. Parallel but different from the branch they intially left. An alternate path was created and the future they returned to was within that alternate path and not the one they initially left.
Oh, I get it, it's the future with changes since Jean is still alive, but to appreciate that you have to understand the bond they had in the previous movies. So there is still the time between DOFP's rewrite and X-Men they can tap into using the first class cast but it does seem like X-Men has happened, if not X-2 and definitely not X-Men 3: The Last Stand. But the insistence Wolverine would remember it all even if noone else did would have precluder Wolverine from the ? he got involved in Wolverine:Origins, he'd have forgot everything due to the amnesia bullet that happened in DOFP and still ended up at the start of X-Men with a foggy memory until X-2.
I don't know if you read comic books and if you do if you're familiar with DC Comics. In the 80's they had a story called Crisis on Infinite Earths that basically rebooted their entire universe. But even with that happening there was one character that remembered the previous DC Universe while still existing in the new one created at the end of that story. His name was ? Pirate and Jackman's Wolverine is basically the ? Pirate of this film series now.
Obviously he feels a special way about Jean because of what he remembers. However in her mind their bond was triggered a completely different way than how it played out in X-Men - X-Men: The Last Stand. Which is why Professor X tells him that he has to fill him in on the details of the past 50 years because they have played out differently from what he knows.
I get it. But does he need to fill him in from the time he got hit with the bullet or did Logan not have that happen and not forget at all? I do hope they explain that part, maybe as part of a montage in the credits of the next movie, because if this is that kind of reboot then gaps need to be filled.
I never saw Origins so I don't know when he was supposed to be shot. But any events after 1973 in this movie never happened. Seeing Mystique as Stryker pick up Wolverine instead of the real Stryker himself doing the deed to trap him within Weapon X also pretty much tells us that his history has now been altered just like everything else. It's just that he will still remember everything else on top of the new history he's being filled in on.
So did Mystique as Stryker hire Sabretooth and run Department H? It would play into the idea of Trask's son doing work if Mystique herself was involved with mutant experimentation posing as Stryker.
Nobody knows yet. Anything could happen including Mystique as Stryker having freed the mutants he had captured plus Wolverine and recruiting them for her own cause. Which could lead to 3 factions existing within mutant kind in future movies. Mystique's crew, Magneto's brotherhood and Xavier's X-Men. Maybe that's how they'll loosely adapt X-Factor in a future spinoff or movie.
