Rappers That Get A Pass Simply Because They're "Legends"
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So ya'll IC ? puttin faith in a ? that uses a Recess character avi who disses Melle Mel and Iceberg simply becasue MidgetsNThaBuilding and @matches malone didn't send that ? @Busta Carmichael his daily nigganudes this morning, so now he wants to throw a OBJ fit?
The next fatherless IC poster dissing my homie Iceberg on my birthday is gettin got by my deaf crew in a drive-by. Say goodbye ya tone-deaf ears you fatherless ? .
found a video of this ? fatherless ? @Busta Carmichael :
Rugrats before your time brah?
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Also just cuz someone created it dont make them the best at it.
Facts, but pay homage lil ? cuz u wouldn't even have a style or know how to spit if it wasn't for the old heads
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The Nuisance wrote: »
It seems like such a simple concept. The new rappers grew up listening to the older rappers.
How difficult is that to understand?
2Pac explained it perfectly in Old School but people who say that 2Pac is The Goat and Me Against The World is the greatest rap album ever act like they don't understand that Pac grew up listening to 80s rap. -
I actually look up the Ice-T *shrugs* POWER and OG were dope af IMO and are classics.
Anyways I'd say:
Lupe Fiasco -- not really a legend but he's prolly got the WOAT fans. That dude is clearly the definition of emotional light skin ? and says a lot of pseudo-intellectual ? that he gets a pass for when he should be checked. But dig this, if you denounce Lupe, his fans will say you're simply not intelligent enough to understand his "deep" nh.
Ice Cube -- He didn't write his own rhymes he had ghostwriters from time to time and his latter albums weren't meh af. He gets a pass tho b/c he's a legend. ? will say Drake can NEVER be a GOAT one day b/c of the ghostwritten ? but Eazy-E, Kanye and Cube can't be spoken ill of for the same crime ? Ha !!!
Kanye West -- He says A LOT of ? that he deserves to be checked for and he whines like a ? but he has yes men around him so NO ONE ever tells him to ? SMMFH. I'm surprised Kanye West made it this far without ever engaging in beefs or being called out for being a big whiny ? .
Wait a minute, who wrote for cube? -
The Nuisance wrote: »
It seems like such a simple concept. The new rappers grew up listening to the older rappers.
How difficult is that to understand?
2Pac explained it perfectly in Old School but people who say that 2Pac is The Goat and Me Against The World is the greatest rap album ever act like they don't understand that Pac grew up listening to 80s rap.
I don't know what you're talking about. I just gave you my top old school rapper list several times. I ? with the old school and golden era more than I do with the new school.
Which is why I said that there were a few bad apples in the bunch. And I named the ones that I thought were wack. -
But to answer the thread, KRS I was never a fan of dude feel a lot of his music is dated and he didn't really influence that many rappers IMO, I always preferred chuck d over him
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BlackAX410 wrote: »But to answer the thread, KRS I was never a fan of dude feel a lot of his music is dated and he didn't really influence that many rappers IMO, I always preferred chuck d over him
This
He didn't come up with a style that people ran with (Rakim)
He didn't come up with the hard hitting rhymes (Cube)
Multi syllables (Kool G)
Witty funny style (Kane)
Storytelling (slick Rick)
KRS did his famous battle with the juice crew and that's about it. -
krs was one of the best at what he did which was spitting that black conscious history and how it relates to today, if you want to look for who is in his lineage of emcee's look no farther than nas, nas embodied being criminal minded at the same time having a level of self awareness and consciousness.
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You know I get what everyone saying. I see the validity in some of the posts so far. But these old school vs new school threads is what's wrong with hip hop. You never hear jazz heads beefing about who nicer with the horn wynton Marsalis or Miles Davis. Or rock heads telling the Stones to just retire. No them ? selling out stadiums right now.
Whats wrong with liking ice t, Wu tang and Too Short but also respecting the new school like Cole, Kendrick, or ASAP? I don't get it and until we figure it out hip hop is never gonna be fully respected entirely. -
illestni99ainne wrote: »You know I get what everyone saying. I see the validity in some of the posts so far. But these old school vs new school threads is what's wrong with hip hop. You never hear jazz heads beefing about who nicer with the horn wynton Marsalis or Miles Davis. Or rock heads telling the Stones to just retire. No them ? selling out stadiums right now.
Whats wrong with liking ice t, Wu tang and Too Short but also respecting the new school Luke Cole, Kendrick, or ASAP? I don't get it and until we figure it out hip hop is never gonna be fully respected entirely.
Because ever since beefs hip hop has been kind of a competitive sport. Especially for the lyrical ones that claim to be the best.
No one is comparing fun loving Rappers like fresh Prince or ying yang twinz.
KRS is one of the people who even made it that way. He thought he was better than Shan and wanted to prove that.
And 5 grand save that "you weren't born" talk. Neither of us were born when Ali fought Joe Frazier but we can still argue on who was better. -
How's @DillaDeaf gonna tell someone what's hot music??? You lip reading videos or something?
Beta sonned you in the ether threado foh
On topic Busta got yall in the feels. Hes arguing a point tho. krs is cool but I liked others from that era like bdk and rakim -
illestni99ainne wrote: »You know I get what everyone saying. I see the validity in some of the posts so far. But these old school vs new school threads is what's wrong with hip hop. You never hear jazz heads beefing about who nicer with the horn wynton Marsalis or Miles Davis. Or rock heads telling the Stones to just retire. No them ? selling out stadiums right now.
Whats wrong with liking ice t, Wu tang and Too Short but also respecting the new school Luke Cole, Kendrick, or ASAP? I don't get it and until we figure it out hip hop is never gonna be fully respected entirely.
You can def like old school and new school....good music is good music and i agree, i can listen to big daddy kane, flip it and put don trip on next and enjoy them equally
But i think other genres have their arguments, you dont think hippies have argued the rolling stones vs led zepplin back in the day or eric clapton vs jimi hendrix as superior guitar player? Its part of the fun, like who the best quarterback in the nfl is
The stones are selling out because of nastalgia to old heads who want to see them one last time and because they made great music even the youth can apprecate...i think jayz and snoop could do the same as they get older because of their popularity and ageless music....i just dont think someone like rakim or krs one had that same kind of impact outside of hip hop heads -
I'm sure rock heads did debate they favorite artists just like we do and that's dope. I'm meaning dismissing an entire generation of music just cuz its old or vice versa. That's wack as ? to me
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illestni99ainne wrote: »I'm sure rock heads did debate they favorite artists just like we do and that's dope. I'm meaning dismissing an entire generation of music just cuz its old or vice versa. That's wack as ? to me
I agree with this here, some old head at the barber shop was telling me how dope isiah thomas was, and I never really been a zeke fan, I was around 8 when he was winning, but it reminded me of trying to explain how dope jordan was to my younger cousin who wasn't born when mj was playing, he knows about the shoes and gear and all that but just couldnt fathom the impact jordan had on the game.
thats the same for some of this music, you have to appreciate what came before if you appreciate what you have now, the beats might sound like some old ? , the way ? rapping might sound dated, all of that but take yourself to that time when there was nothing else, then you'd understand what it means. -
I know a lot of old heads who think music after the 70's is complete trash
Or todays nba sucks compared to old nba
I think it happens all over, it just depends if your involved in the conversations or not -
Busta Carmichael wrote: »BlackAX410 wrote: »But to answer the thread, KRS I was never a fan of dude feel a lot of his music is dated and he didn't really influence that many rappers IMO, I always preferred chuck d over him
This
He didn't come up with a style that people ran with (Rakim)
He didn't come up with the hard hitting rhymes (Cube)
Multi syllables (Kool G)
Witty funny style (Kane)
Storytelling (slick Rick)
KRS did his famous battle with the juice crew and that's about it.
Would you believe it if I say he embodies ALL of those styles? Plus him and Chuck D brought in the conscious/knowledge of self steez. He also brought in the Reggae style influence in Hip Hop. -
Something tell's me this thread shouldn't ta happened
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Busta Carmichael wrote: »https://mobile.twitter.com/iamkrsone
Can someone with a twitter @ this wack ass ? so he can defend himself?
dam ? didn't you JUST single-handedly make it where Preemo don't ? with AHH no more because of your antics? ? tryna make it where no legends at all ? with allhiphop anymore
Fck preemo lol -
TheManInBlack4.0 wrote: »blackgod813 wrote: »I feel what u saying but I feel more like the legends get a pass when it comes to getting compared to knew cats.
? act like this old cats haven't lost a step in rap and can out rap or wash all this new cats out which isn't the case
The games changed and rappers have gotten better
Hell Larry bird scored 647 3pointers his entire 13yr career
Curry done scored 687 3pointers since 2013 season
? changes so to sit here and say the Wu-Tang and KRS-One can out rap ? like Cole, Kendrick, Big Sean even Drake is hilarious
Old cats just live off nostalgic times and don't wanna pass the torch or even admit Jay and Nas ain't as good as they use to be and might can't out rap this young ? no more
Why couldnt method man out rap drake or kendric lamar
Im not saying he couldn't he was just a example what I'm sayin is ? act like the best rappers from the past could all survive in the rap game today.
Some of this rappers y'all praise ain't touched a mic in a decade but y'all still act like they could out rap whoever whenever ? ridiculous
Outside Kendrick, rappers today are just Pop acts with no hard background. I think Madonna has more street cred.
A guy like Em would murder any of them if we're talking mainstream.
While doing numbers.
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Disciplined InSight wrote: »Busta Carmichael wrote: »BlackAX410 wrote: »But to answer the thread, KRS I was never a fan of dude feel a lot of his music is dated and he didn't really influence that many rappers IMO, I always preferred chuck d over him
This
He didn't come up with a style that people ran with (Rakim)
He didn't come up with the hard hitting rhymes (Cube)
Multi syllables (Kool G)
Witty funny style (Kane)
Storytelling (slick Rick)
KRS did his famous battle with the juice crew and that's about it.
Would you believe it if I say he embodies ALL of those styles? Plus him and Chuck D brought in the conscious/knowledge of self steez. He also brought in the Reggae style influence in Hip Hop.
You just hit the nail on the head.
KRS was on several covers of The Source if that means anything. They didn't just put anybody on the cover.
He also co-hosted Yo! MTV Raps a few times and was on The Arsenio Hall Show a few times.
You might not like him or his music but you can't deny his impact.
Personally there's a handful of groups/rappers I don't like but I wouldn't deny their impact. -
Yo how jazz musicians going to beef break out their instrument and square off in the streets hip hop is a real man genre the weak won't survive shut up with the " oh you don't hear opera fans fighting over who the best" thats because no one cares
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BlackAX410 wrote: »I actually look up the Ice-T *shrugs* POWER and OG were dope af IMO and are classics.
Anyways I'd say:
Lupe Fiasco -- not really a legend but he's prolly got the WOAT fans. That dude is clearly the definition of emotional light skin ? and says a lot of pseudo-intellectual ? that he gets a pass for when he should be checked. But dig this, if you denounce Lupe, his fans will say you're simply not intelligent enough to understand his "deep" nh.
Ice Cube -- He didn't write his own rhymes he had ghostwriters from time to time and his latter albums weren't meh af. He gets a pass tho b/c he's a legend. ? will say Drake can NEVER be a GOAT one day b/c of the ghostwritten ? but Eazy-E, Kanye and Cube can't be spoken ill of for the same crime ? Ha !!!
Kanye West -- He says A LOT of ? that he deserves to be checked for and he whines like a ? but he has yes men around him so NO ONE ever tells him to ? SMMFH. I'm surprised Kanye West made it this far without ever engaging in beefs or being called out for being a big whiny ? .
Wait a minute, who wrote for cube?
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CashmoneyDux wrote: »Snoop Dogg
Snoop has been making hits for 20+ years. How many artists in ANY genre can say that? I actually think he set the blueprint for how to rappers can transition their sound as they get older. The Bush album was solid. -
Actually, Hip Hop has had the same arc.illestni99ainne wrote: »I'm sure rock heads did debate they favorite artists just like we do and that's dope. I'm meaning dismissing an entire generation of music just cuz its old or vice versa. That's wack as ? to me
50's rock = 80's rap = mainstream birth
60's rock = 90's rap = prime years
70's rock = 00's rap = slow wind down of the genre
80's rock = 10's rap = Pop influenced, gimmicks, only a handful of decent acts
