Hillary just MOLLYWOPPED Sanders with black voters lol damn
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Democratic socialism is pants on head ? . Overall there are quite a few things I agree with for Bernie just won't support such a foolish system.
Don't plan on supporting both Hilary and Bernie -
This will not matter soon enough.
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CashmoneyDux wrote: »CashmoneyDux wrote: »The majority of voters were uninformed thats the sad truth. and the funny thing to me is, all the Bernie haters on here have never given a reason as to why Hilary is the better candidate.
Strange.
Hilary is a better choice primarily because she would be stable she won't try to turn the whole system on it's head Bernie sanders wants to inject ideas and policies into the american system that are European and not American.
ideologically Bernie sanders is more of a western European politician in Europe there is a greater focus on equality in america there has been a greater focus on liberty. If you study the history of america vs europe the difference between why these difference will become very apparent to you.
Over in Europe there has historically been a greater sense of class consciousness, because of the monarchies there has always been stronger serious cultural differences between rich and poor.
Traditionally america has always been about ever increasing levels of liberty and freedom
Edit: what you are saying makes sense, but why would we want more of the same? And im surprised a pro black person such as yourself would want hilary in office. Could you explain that?
I don't want Hilary in office it's just that she is a better alternative TO Bernie sanders i would not mind the system changing, i don't really want more of the same however i am not going to advocate what i believe would be a negative change by electing Bernie sanders.
MAINSTREAM american society and black society has been on a decline for a long time now and it is because of the propagation of certain ideologies among the young and minorities.
You seem to be saying that Clinton is a good candidate, and Sanders is a bad candidate. That doesn't seem to be the case. Clinton is thoroughly bad. Sanders might be bad, namely when it comes to domestic policies, but his foreign policy seems to be solid. Thus, technically, he's better. Saying that Clinton is a better choice is different than saying that Clinton is a less worse choice. So you actually seem to like Clinton, which, like Cashmoney, I also find strange.
For the most part, black folk, like any other American folk, are just simply stupid or ignorant, minus the black folk who genuinely understand and believe in Sanders or Clinton. I agree that black folks have been on the decline (lot of evidence supports this), but I disagree that it's because the youth and minorities. I don't think that they've never been in a position to be powerful or influential. Imo, the cause of the decline of black folk primarily stems from the powers that be, which include both the mainstream Democrats and the Republicans (and there is very little difference between the two), which is why I find the consistent black support for the Democrat front-runners like Clinton so mind-bogglingly foolish. -
Whenever someone calls someone else an uncle tom, my immediate response is to question the former's credibility. That word gets thrown around rather carelessly. Uncle toms are uncle toms, but it seems like 90% of people who are called uncle toms aren't actual uncle toms. But people still use that word in 2016 though?
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Bernie sanders wants 12 weeks of paid vacation the norm horrible idea i am not paying anyone to doing nothing for 12 weeks and then when that person comes back risk them being out of the loop and incapable of doing there job for at lest another week.
Bernie sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to 15 and hour horrible idea because there will be many small businesses that simply cannot afford to pay there people 15$ and even more that will hire less people because of it FOR most industries there should be no minimum wage period.
Bernies sanders wants to make university free while that may sound nice in reality it could make having certain degree levels worthless.
just 3 of the horrible ideas Bernie sanders promotes.
2 out of 3...
The first two ideas are ? asinine. 3 mos standard time off is exorbitant; as is $15 minimum wage.
Id like to see links to these proposed plans
I do, however, think the cost of college can and should be drastically lowered. High school is woefully insufficient to furnish individuals with the basic skills to be successful in life.... And college is either an Impossibility or a tremendously expensive proposition for a vast number of Americans.
I will never understand the argument that highly valued skills that are in demand will suddenly become "obsolete" simply because they cost less to obtain.
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still not sure how this is an argument that their voting as such was "right."Tonight, Hillary cleaned up with black voters. Killer Mike and the rest of yall need to sit down somewhere. Black people are speaking all across the country and they're choosing Hillary.
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Lol @ 15/hr being asinine
I don't know where you live but that's barely surviving on this side
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The average pay should be around the cost of living.
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Lol @ 15/hr being asinine
I don't know where you live but that's barely surviving on this side
If you work at a low skill job do you really deserve 15? -
CashmoneyDux wrote: »CashmoneyDux wrote: »The majority of voters were uninformed thats the sad truth. and the funny thing to me is, all the Bernie haters on here have never given a reason as to why Hilary is the better candidate.
Strange.
Hilary is a better choice primarily because she would be stable she won't try to turn the whole system on it's head Bernie sanders wants to inject ideas and policies into the american system that are European and not American.
ideologically Bernie sanders is more of a western European politician in Europe there is a greater focus on equality in america there has been a greater focus on liberty. If you study the history of america vs europe the difference between why these difference will become very apparent to you.
Over in Europe there has historically been a greater sense of class consciousness, because of the monarchies there has always been stronger serious cultural differences between rich and poor.
Traditionally america has always been about ever increasing levels of liberty and freedom
Edit: what you are saying makes sense, but why would we want more of the same? And im surprised a pro black person such as yourself would want hilary in office. Could you explain that?
I don't want Hilary in office it's just that she is a better alternative TO Bernie sanders i would not mind the system changing, i don't really want more of the same however i am not going to advocate what i believe would be a negative change by electing Bernie sanders.
MAINSTREAM american society and black society has been on a decline for a long time now and it is because of the propagation of certain ideologies among the young and minorities.
You seem to be saying that Clinton is a good candidate, and Sanders is a bad candidate. That doesn't seem to be the case. Clinton is thoroughly bad. Sanders might be bad, namely when it comes to domestic policies, but his foreign policy seems to be solid. Thus, technically, he's better. Saying that Clinton is a better choice is different than saying that Clinton is a less worse choice. So you actually seem to like Clinton, which, like Cashmoney, I also find strange.
For the most part, black folk, like any other American folk, are just simply stupid or ignorant, minus the black folk who genuinely understand and believe in Sanders or Clinton. I agree that black folks have been on the decline (lot of evidence supports this), but I disagree that it's because the youth and minorities. I don't think that they've never been in a position to be powerful or influential. Imo, the cause of the decline of black folk primarily stems from the powers that be, which include both the mainstream Democrats and the Republicans (and there is very little difference between the two), which is why I find the consistent black support for the Democrat front-runners like Clinton so mind-bogglingly foolish.
@ the bold no that is not what i am saying it's what you are wrongly inferring and domestic policy is more important than foreign policy so being that Clinton is better on what is more important she is a better choice. I am implying that she is the best of 2 evils and nothing more.
The decline of America and blacks people started with "the youth" a generation ago picking up an ideology that has lead to our current horrible state which is why i said " a long time now" what we see today is the fruit of the youth of back then believing in this foolish ideology and the youth right now still refuse to reject it. -
Its amazing how little choice yall have though, especially from the dems...only hilary n da bern?
I actually sat down and watched trump speak for 10min, wtf man? I dont even know if hes serious or trolling but America lost, might aswell put a orang utan in the oval Office. -
Bernie sanders wants 12 weeks of paid vacation the norm horrible idea i am not paying anyone to doing nothing for 12 weeks and then when that person comes back risk them being out of the loop and incapable of doing there job for at lest another week.
Bernie sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to 15 and hour horrible idea because there will be many small businesses that simply cannot afford to pay there people 15$ and even more that will hire less people because of it FOR most industries there should be no minimum wage period.
Bernies sanders wants to make university free while that may sound nice in reality it could make having certain degree levels worthless.
just 3 of the horrible ideas Bernie sanders promotes.
2 out of 3...
The first two ideas are ? asinine. 3 mos standard time off is exorbitant; as is $15 minimum wage.
Id like to see links to these proposed plans
I do, however, think the cost of college can and should be drastically lowered. High school is woefully insufficient to furnish individuals with the basic skills to be successful in life.... And college is either an Impossibility or a tremendously expensive proposition for a vast number of Americans.
I will never understand the argument that highly valued skills that are in demand will suddenly become "obsolete" simply because they cost less to obtain.
If everyone has a high school diploma then having on is worthless you are going to need more the value is lowered because everyone has the same thing. What these people should be doing is focusing on is helping people increase skills not sending people to universities that will teach them useless ? .
AND I NEVER SAID HIGHLY valued skills will become obsolete once again people are inferring things illogically -
The_Jackal wrote: »
? what
So people don't deserve to be able to live
Most people working on somebody else dream just like they are
What about people trying to pay their way thru school to attain those higher skills? -
The_Jackal wrote: »
Do Ceo's really deserve to make uncountable millions or billions?
The two are relative. -
The_Jackal wrote: »
Do Ceo's really deserve to make uncountable millions or billions?
The two are relative.
Yes. because without them the business would fail long term. The general is worth more than the foot soilder -
The_Jackal wrote: »
Do Ceo's really deserve to make uncountable millions or billions?
The two are relative.
Yes. because without them the business would fail long term. The general is worth more than the foot soilder
Not in America. -
Shizlansky wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »
Do Ceo's really deserve to make uncountable millions or billions?
The two are relative.
Yes. because without them the business would fail long term. The general is worth more than the foot soilder
Not in America.
Yes in america. The CEO especially when the CEO is the founder cannot just be replaced it takes years of training and education to be a top CEO but you can learn to flip burgers in a weekend. -
I've been real respectful of you because I understand you represent a group of marginalized people (? ? ).
But I'll keep it a buck. You're a semi ? , anti-social, superstitious Uncle Tom. Progress for you is being able to buy new knee pads so your white daddy doesn't wear you out. Stay in the house crybaby.
lol funny. but i have no master, no boss, and no one gives me a paycheck i am my own employer and don't have to Suck great white daddy off ( The government) to survive. Me an uncle tom???? you are the real house ? , waiting on a ? 74 year old jew to fix black problems FOH.
You talk about entitlement, but you're so entitled you believe that your iniquity and advocacy for exploitation of the poor differs from white folks because you're black. You are a hypocrite of the highest order and I'll take the 73 year old Jew over you 10 times out of 10. You lack humanity and integrity.
You're a joke and like most republicans I just have throw a little change (catch that) at your automaton ass and watch you work yourself into a frenzied state.
Also, eat a bag of ? . -
I've been real respectful of you because I understand you represent a group of marginalized people (? ? ).
But I'll keep it a buck. You're a semi ? , anti-social, superstitious Uncle Tom. Progress for you is being able to buy new knee pads so your white daddy doesn't wear you out. Stay in the house crybaby.
lol funny. but i have no master, no boss, and no one gives me a paycheck i am my own employer and don't have to Suck great white daddy off ( The government) to survive. Me an uncle tom???? you are the real house ? , waiting on a ? 74 year old jew to fix black problems FOH.
You talk about entitlement, but you're so entitled you believe that your iniquity and advocacy for exploitation of the poor differs from white folks because you're black. You are a hypocrite of the highest order and I'll take the 73 year old Jew over you 10 times out of 10. You lack humanity and integrity.
You're a joke and like most republicans I just have throw a little change (catch that) at your automaton ass and watch you work yourself into a frenzied state.
Also, eat a bag of ? .
EXPLOITATION of the poor wtf are you talking you clear heels wearing ? ??? just because i don't want to be forced to pay people what i feel they don't deserve means i support exploitation??? foh and get back to the big house before your white jewish master finds you missing. -
Shizlansky wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »
Do Ceo's really deserve to make uncountable millions or billions?
The two are relative.
Yes. because without them the business would fail long term. The general is worth more than the foot soilder
Not in America.
Yes in america. The CEO especially when the CEO is the founder cannot just be replaced it takes years of training and education to be a top CEO but you can learn to flip burgers in a weekend.
You giving them to much props. Do your homework.
They fatten their pockets while paying less and less to the ppl that work for them.
You sound like a slave owner. Ppl should just be happy to get something, bits, crumbs.
Big Businesses is hurting the fabric of America. They are not evolving with the cost of living like they use too.
Instead they hold the working class back. Even though the working class is where the heart and power of America lies.
And when the working class finally turns their back on them for not doing the right thing America will crumble. -
The_Jackal wrote: »
? what
So people don't deserve to be able to live
Most people working on somebody else dream just like they are
What about people trying to pay their way thru school to attain those higher skills?
People don't deserve anything at all in this world homie. If you have a mcjob or working retail at a mall or a job that any illegal could easily do then by default it's low skill and doesnt deserve it. Not that it shouldn't be raised to 11 but 15 is to much.The_Jackal wrote: »
Do Ceo's really deserve to make uncountable millions or billions?
The two are relative.
Same as other. Nobody in this world deserves amything. If its a non government run company then there board has the right to chose whatever salary they want -
Shizlansky wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »
Do Ceo's really deserve to make uncountable millions or billions?
The two are relative.
Yes. because without them the business would fail long term. The general is worth more than the foot soilder
Not in America.
Yes in america. The CEO especially when the CEO is the founder cannot just be replaced it takes years of training and education to be a top CEO but you can learn to flip burgers in a weekend.
You giving them to much props. Do your homework.
They fatten their pockets while paying less and less to the ppl that work for them.
You sound like a slave owner. Ppl should just be happy to get something, bits, crumbs.
Big Businesses is hurting the fabric of America. They are not evolving with the cost of living like they use too.
Instead they hold the working class back. Even though the working class is where the heart and power of America lies.
And when the working class finally turns their back on them for not doing the right thing America will crumble.
It is not the responsibility of business big or small to do anything more than enrich themselves i don't own pieces in businesses because i care about the fabric of america. The businesses that i invest in are owned by me and my partners and how we conduct business, how we decided how much to pay people is our affair and should be no concern of the government. If i am paying you 7 $ and you don't like it then you are free to seek a job elsewhere if no one will work for me for 7$ than i will have to increase the pay but government has no right to tell me i have to pay at a certain level when i cannot or simply don't want to do so.
government is not going to save my ass if my business starts to sink yet they want to dictate to me how much i have to pay my employees. -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Bruh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware of the history, the etymology, and definition of laissez faire. If you'd like to point to my "contradictions" we can discuss those as well as contextual clues, but I don't like playing semantics. We're both too bright for that ? .
Saying that it doesn't exist but that crony capitalism is a derivative of it. I agree as of know it doesn't exist and that such a system would be utterly ? but there was a time when it was practice in American and it led to widespread abuse of individuals by companies and corporations.
What I mean to say is that it's derivative of those ideas. Pardon if that was unclear.
It doesn't exist because it cant. If their was always a fair exchange of goods and services history wouldn't be rife with such inequity. Anyhow, I understand you.
We need the free market to check socialism. We need the government to check capitalism. Otherwise we end up with something untenable.
The end product of both seems to be the same, gross inequality. You can look to Russia on one end and America on the other as they have comparable inequity.
I agree with that but at the same time am weary of that line of thinking. No economic system can truly create a completely equal society. Not saying you are suggesting that just that overall alot of other people tend to think pure capitalism or communism/socialism will solve every problem and it just won't
I think that depends on the country's size. In America you're probably right, but in a country of >10 million socialism tends to produce much better results
I'm highly sceptical of that but do you have any particular country in mind to back up that claim?
Denmark?
No. Denmark prime minister even spoke out about it because of Bernie. It's a market economy
i got fam in Denmark, its very much a welfare state -
Shizlansky wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »
Do Ceo's really deserve to make uncountable millions or billions?
The two are relative.
Yes. because without them the business would fail long term. The general is worth more than the foot soilder
Not in America.
Yes in america. The CEO especially when the CEO is the founder cannot just be replaced it takes years of training and education to be a top CEO but you can learn to flip burgers in a weekend.
You giving them to much props. Do your homework.
They fatten their pockets while paying less and less to the ppl that work for them.
You sound like a slave owner. Ppl should just be happy to get something, bits, crumbs.
Big Businesses is hurting the fabric of America. They are not evolving with the cost of living like they use too.
Instead they hold the working class back. Even though the working class is where the heart and power of America lies.
And when the working class finally turns their back on them for not doing the right thing America will crumble.
It is not the responsibility of business big or small to do anything more than enrich themselves i don't own pieces in businesses because i care about the fabric of america. The businesses that i invest in are owned by me and my partners and how we conduct business, how we decided how much to pay people is our affair and should be no concern of the government. If i am paying you 7 $ and you don't like it then you are free to seek a job elsewhere if no one will work for me for 7$ than i will have to increase the pay but government has no right to tell me i have to pay at a certain level when i cannot or simply don't want to do so.
government is not going to save my ass if my business starts to sink yet they want to dictate to me how much i have to pay my employees.
What kind of Christian are you?
Jesus is not proud. -
@CashmoneyDux your turn, I'm not from around here and I was so easily able to find that information and objectively dissect each. Your turn to better educate us on Sanders' policies in depth and tell us why he's better. Since it was you who posed the question.
Shoot.
1)The American public is misinformed. Clearly, if trump is winning by a landslide. But like you said, you aren't from here so you wouldn't know.
2) my argument is not that Bernie is the great White Hope as you all are trying to make me sound, but he is the better option than Hillary.
3) Everyone knows raising the minimum wage is terrible in the long run, so im not even going to touch that subject. You realize that the reason we are in the mess today is because of big business? The reason the banked failed in 2008 is because credit regulation was poor. Why was credit regulation poor? because of GREED. What loopholes is she going to close? The point im making is that Hillary would work with big business, and Bernie wouldn't budge/be swayed by lobbyists and donations. And the free college thing confuses me because we taxpayer money going to exorbitant military programs and NFL stadiums, but free college is absurd?
4) I saw nothing on that infographic about foreign policy, which is one of the primary jobs of the President, and we all know Hillary's track record with that( see Benghazi)
If I hadn't made it clear to everyone, imma make it clear it again
Hillary has shown her true colors when it comes to big business and social policies. shes the opposite side of the GOP coin. Whereas Bernie has been very concrete in his views and actually isn't transparent. Why are we giving these businesses 3rd and 4th chances with our economy?
@zzombie I actually understand what you are saying about your qualms with Bernie and the political system as a whole and you made great points. I just think that a radical change in the way our government is better than more of the same because the same hasn't been working. And again, I am not advocating for pure socialism because that wouldn't work.
