Real talk why is Africa so behind in advancement and development?
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Europeans invented many firearms; it's not like a Chinese guy invented a gun and everyone used the exact same gun for the next 2000 years. machine guns, for example, were invented by white dudes no matter how you slice the "inventing" part of it.Moors had guns, where do you think Europeans got them from? You think Europe invented guns? lol no... Like everything else, they take take take...
but i suppose we can't give Europeans credit for ANYTHING, even in the same sentence where we call them evil -
i wanna see the pic...
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Because of corrupt leaders who refuse to see beyond their own personal circles and develop infrastructure and invest in the people, with the exception of a few nations like Libya and they don't recognize that white people are not their friend and should be treated like an enemy and the devils that they most definitely, categorically, historically have been as it relates to them.
Starts with corrupt leadership though. -
? 's be lazy
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Europeans invented many firearms; it's not like a Chinese guy invented a gun and everyone used the exact same gun for the next 2000 years. machine guns, for example, were invented by white dudes no matter how you slice the "inventing" part of it.
but i suppose we can't give Europeans credit for ANYTHING, even in the same sentence where we call them evil
Ok now I know you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Who invented the gun? Not the European. That was the initial argument. Europe might have revolutionized the gun, but they didn't invent it.
It's like saying, who invented Rock and Roll... Black people... who turned rock and rock into what it is today? White man... but without the innitial invention of Rock and Roll, the white man would not have the rock they got now. -
Two things.
1. Black posters are going to be unwilling to attribute anything to the white man because the black posters are racist here.
2. They can't name a real genuine African polymath. They can only name dudes from the northern areas that were under the control of foreign powers. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »Two things.
1. Black posters are going to be unwilling to attribute anything to the white man because the black posters are racist here.
2. They can't name a real genuine African polymath. They can only name dudes from the northern areas that were under the control of foreign powers.
We can attribute a lot of things to whites. Their technological and scientific advancement is unmatched in this world. Can't front on that. However, so is their genocidal, colonizing, stealing, and immoral depravity . Can't front on that.
Kind of ironic you mention polymaths,when the term came from Greeks who learned at the foot of Africans. Herodotus, Socrates, Plato and Pythagorus all learned in the schools and Libraries of Egypt. To say there were no African polymaths is like saying you believe in a ? birth. Greeks knew nothing. They were not respecters of knowledge before their interactions with Africans.
This northern nonsense you mention is of no consequence. Blacks occupied the Northern area all the way up to what is improperly called the Middle East. European and Arab invaders came in but like most invaders they extracted of value from the indigenous and claimed it for themselves and destroyed the learning centers.. Ancient Egyptians were not Arabs nor Euro's.
Whites posters are racist and when you don't share their philosophy of white supremacy, they call you racist. They can't help it. Their momma's and daddy's made them that way. -
Our brains are just bigger than yours.We can attribute a lot of things to whites. Their technological and scientific advancement is unmatched in this world. Can't front on that.
The Asians have us beat on all that. You just aren't as keenly aware of them as you are of us.However, so is their genocidal, colonizing, stealing, and immoral depravity . Can't front on that.
None of their ideas can be traced to Egyptian schools of thought. The Africans were superstitious and irrational and the Greek philosophers broke down those old barriers of ignorance.Kind of ironic you mention polymaths,when the term came from Greeks who learned at the foot of Africans. Herodotus, Socrates, Plato and Pythagorus all learned in the schools and Libraries of Egypt.
Y'all have been unable to name one who...To say there were no African polymaths is like saying you believe in a ? birth.
A. Existed
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B. Was raised in an actual African sphere of influence instead of that of Islam and/or the greater Mediterranean. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »Our brains are just bigger than yours.
The Asians have us beat on all that. You just aren't as keenly aware of them as you are of us.
None of their ideas can be traced to Egyptian schools of thought. The Africans were superstitious and irrational and the Greek philosophers broke down those old barriers of ignorance.
Y'all have been unable to name one who...
A. Existed
and
B. Was raised in an actual African sphere of influence instead of that of Islam and/or the greater Mediterranean.
Out of the hundreds of Dutch philosophers/rulers could u name 25 without doing a google search?? Now replace Dutch with Moroccan or Kenyan, could you name 25 without doing a google search?
Think for a second bro, out of the thousands rulers/philosophers that lived on the afrikan continent you probably couldn't a name 25 as well.
get it? your question reeks of ignorance, but you probably aren't serious anyway. The whole 'cultural' influenced assumptions in this thread is a whole lot of bullcrap as well. but thats not just u lmao. ? 's talking about thousands of years and thousands of different(anno 2010) mostly dead cultures of various people living on thousands of kilometers of lands as if they are talkig about a small town. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »Two things.
1. Black posters are going to be unwilling to attribute anything to the white man because the black posters are racist here.
2. They can't name a real genuine African polymath. They can only name dudes from the northern areas that were under the control of foreign powers.
First of all, I'm white.
Second, I named a slew of African polymaths. I seem to recall you railing against racially based histories, but you're doing exactly the same thing here - Oh, that guy doesn't count because he was Berber/ Arab / under the influence of Islam / under the influence of neighbouring areas. Influence goes in two directions. Go ask an northern African Arab or Berber if they're African. They'll answer yes.
I could do the same thing with European polymaths - oh, that guy doesn't count because he was influenced by Arab/ Indian / African findings. You have artificially separated the continents into exclusive areas were no trade in goods or ideas ever occurred..
Then you try to pretend as if Imhotep didn't exist because it doesn't fit your racially based historical concepts. You still haven't addressed the recent findings of 1926. 1926, dude. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »Our brains are just bigger than yours.
Tobias in 1970 said different. In fact he was not the only one, your Jewish Brothers Weizman and Gould, said the same thing in the 80's and 90's. But it is irrelevant. But let's not talk about body parts that are bigger......................Alright I will admit you have bigger noses...................The Asians have us beat on all that. You just aren't as keenly aware of them as you are of us.
I am. They just didn't put it in on us, so you know....
Sorry. the Asians were just more, shall we say intense in smaller time frames, than you, but over the long haul, you hold the crown. You should be proud of your racial superiority. besides, I have been to Asia and their moral standards are way >>>>>>>>>>> than yours.None of their ideas can be traced to Egyptian schools of thought. The Africans were superstitious and irrational and the Greek philosophers broke down those old barriers of ignorance.
Bwaaaaaah. Superstition? Mythology? Your kidding right? The Greeks believed in Zeus, Athena,Ares and Apollo and Mt. Olympus.They taught that a man had sex with aspects of nature and produced horses, bulls, and Medusa and ? . It wasn't until Pythagoras interacted with the Nubians, Babylonians, and Egyptians that Greece came out of that foolishness. Pythagorus brought the concept of Mathematical thinking to them and the concept of Divine Unity(Monotheism) as a direct result of his interaction with them. They didn't come to this on their own. How could they?
Irrational people don't build pyramids with a sophisticated hydraulic system and chart astronomy to the point where the build a structure in the center of the Earth by their knowledge of astronomy and a certain star system that appears every few thousand years. C'mon great grand son.all have been unable to name one who..A. Existed and B. Was raised in an actual African sphere of influence instead of that of Islam and/or the greater Mediterranean.
Are you the same man who said Imhotep was a mythical figure because you watched the movie Mummy and it said so?
Egyptians were not Arab Muslims. Nubians were not Arab Muslims. Ancient Babylonians were not white Arabs.(Many of the precepts they taught were however codified and presented to Arabs, Jews, and Europeans, however) Greeks were not even thought of during those time periods, because they did not exist on a civilized plane.
The Nile Valley and the Fertile Crescent were the standard bearers at that time. -
Besides any region who's major population center has a flag like this:
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I think it is fair to say Imohtep existed and was a polymath.
Saying that amazingly talented people(polymath) existed on the Africa continent throughout its history is trivial. If you get a large population together some of them will be exceptional.
Imohtep was a physician, architect, and politician. He excelled at all three. While we have not found his tome we have found carvings referring to him similar to other historical figures in Egypt.
And Step's comment regarding irrational people do not build pyramids is remarkably cogent. It is remarkable since it is preceded by a paragraph filled with nonsense. Pythagoras brought monotheism to Greece? He died around 500BC and Greece would not see monotheism for 600 years. -
Pythagorus believed in the concept of Divine Unity. He believed everything was connected to the same source. Point Blank, period. When it spread to the rest of Greece was irrelevant. Particularly since he had followers who recognized him as a conduit of the divine. They fought and outlawed Pythagorus teaching for centuries. But it was still spreading in circles. They even persecuted his followers. So for you to say Greece would not see Monotheism for 600 years is dishonest. What you should have said was Greece masses did not accept Monotheism even though the concept was in her midst.
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except that what you're arguing - who first created the first gun - is irrelevant. no one's argued that Europeans invented that. but to act like the vast development that firearms have gone through over time a) never happened and b) didn't involve Europeans is a little ridiculous, and is simply being done to say "even though they were so evil, they didn't develop anything." the first crude gunpowder weapon is a far cry from modern firearms, and the latter involve inventions that were accomplished by Europeans. you want an invention that starts with Europeans regarding firearms? metal cartridge cases.Ok now I know you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Who invented the gun? Not the European. That was the initial argument. Europe might have revolutionized the gun, but they didn't invent it.
the initial argument had you claiming that the Europeans did not develop the guns they used for conquest, but merely mass-produced guns other people made. this statement is not accurate. -
Okay, even though he's a highly mythical figure who has been so shrouded in mystery as to be deified by a superstitious and ignorant people, I will let Imhotep slide as an African polymath.
That's one. One actual African polymath that y'all have been able to name. Out of the hundreds of millions of people who lived in Africa before it was taken over by influential foreign powers, you can name ONE genius. -
Africans taught you every thing you needed to become semi-civilized.
That was genius enough..
It is safe to say that these earliest ancestors of ours would have given up the ways of savages of their own accord if they had been left to their fate. But suddenly there was an end to their isolation. Prehistoric man was discovered. A traveler from the unknown south-land who had dared to cross the turbulent sea and the forbidding mountain passes had found his way to
the wild people of Central Europe.
On his back he carried a pack. When he had spread his wares before the gaping curiosity of the bewildered natives, their eyes beheld wonders of which their minds had never dared to dream. They saw bronze hammers and axes and tools made of iron and helmets made of copper and beautiful ornaments consisting of a strangely colored substance which the foreign visitor called "glass."
And overnight the Age of Stone came to an end.
It was replaced by a new civilization which had discarded wooden and stone implements centuries before and had laid the foundations for that "Age of Metal" which has endured until our own day. It is of this new civilization that I shall tell you in the rest of my book and if you do not mind, we shall leave the northern continent for a couple of thousand years and pay a visit to Egypt and to western Asia.
Hendrik Willem Van Loom -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »Okay, even though he's a highly mythical figure who has been so shrouded in mystery as to be deified by a superstitious and ignorant people
Only before 1926 was he considered mythical and that was because of the ? -link. You can't name one modern Egyptologist who doesn't acknowledge his historical existence.I will let Imhotep slide as an African polymath.
Imhotep demands worship, not apathy . . .That's one. One actual African polymath that y'all have been able to name.
Actually, I named several more that you have dismissed for superficial reasons. Ask any Berber, Egyptian, or Arab living in North Africa if they are African and they'll say yes.Out of the hundreds of millions of people who lived in Africa before it was taken over by influential foreign powers, you can name ONE genius.
There were certainly more geniuses whose names were lost to history but helped prop up the great empires of Egypt, Nubia, Nok, Ghana, Axum, Mali, Kush, Ethiopia, Carthage, and the various Islamic Empires.
Of course, you likely won't count Axum, Ethiopia, Carthage and the Islamic Empires because they were influenced by other regions in addition to influencing the rest of the world. -
Pythagorus believed in the concept of Divine Unity. He believed everything was connected to the same source. Point Blank, period. When it spread to the rest of Greece was irrelevant. Particularly since he had followers who recognized him as a conduit of the divine. They fought and outlawed Pythagorus teaching for centuries. But it was still spreading in circles. They even persecuted his followers. So for you to say Greece would not see Monotheism for 600 years is dishonest. What you should have said was Greece masses did not accept Monotheism even though the concept was in her midst.
We barely know anything about Pythagoras. None of his writings survives. We have a few works from his students. None of these works mention a Divine Unity. The only place they were persecuted was Croton but this was due to their leader Philolaus trying to become tyrant. Pythagoras teaching did not reduce the number of Gods at all but tried to explain the world by an interaction of limitless thing and limiting things. The biggest piece of his religious philosophy was the transmigration of the soul. (Reincarnation) He did believe that the universe was based on numbers but this was not monotheism.
Several groups claim ties to Pythagoras without historical support such as the Neopythagorean. These groups may be monotheistic but Pythagoras was not. -
There were certainly more geniuses whose names were lost to history
Oh, of course, the white man done erased all the good pre-Islamic history. My bad, I forgot to blame every single problem in the history of the world on the white man. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »Oh, of course, the white man done erased all the good pre-Islamic history. My bad, I forgot to blame every single problem in the history of the world on the white man.
Full quote because you're so skilled at being disingenous:
There were certainly more geniuses whose names were lost to history but helped prop up the great empires of Egypt, Nubia, Nok, Ghana, Axum, Mali, Kush, Ethiopia, Carthage, and the various Islamic Empires.
There may have been omission, but the more likely their names were never recorded. -
1. Empires are not good things. Dictatorship, totalitarianism, monarchy, etc. etc. Why do people brag about African empires? These systems OPPRESSED AFRICANS. But I guess since it wasn't DA WHITE MAN it dudn't matter.
2. Name polymaths from some of those areas you listed. You got one from Egypt. One from the entire continent, before the Arabs took over and brought their influence in.
You quoted the author of a CHILDREN'S BOOK.And Step wrote:Hendrik Willem Van Loon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Mankind
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KTULU IS BACK wrote: »1. Empires are not good things. Dictatorship, totalitarianism, monarchy, etc. etc. Why do people brag about African empires? These systems OPPRESSED AFRICANS. But I guess since it wasn't DA WHITE MAN it dudn't matter.
2. Name polymaths from some of those areas you listed. You got one from Egypt. One from the entire continent, before the Arabs took over and brought their influence in.
1) lol. Now you want me to name some kind of anarcho-democratic idealistic empire that never existed? I can guarantee that these empires, even the most brutal ones, never did as much harm as European slavery, colonialism, or neo-colonialism.
2) I already addressed this. I named a slew of African polymaths. I seem to recall you railing against racially based histories, but you're doing exactly the same thing here - Oh, that guy doesn't count because he was Berber/ Arab / under the influence of Islam / under the influence of neighbouring areas. Influence goes in two directions. Go ask an northern African Arab or Berber if they're African. They'll answer yes.
Anyways, the point is that these empires needed men of genius to support their greatness. Just because their names may have been forever lost to history does not mean they did not exist in these empires. -
1. There have been lots of great leftist (and even communist!) Africans. Nelson Mandela, for one, obviously. No Arab influence in him. Maybe European influence, but you wouldn't want to admit that, I suppose.
2. You really don't think it matters that 9 out of the 10 people you named were members of societies dominated and influenced by Eastern powers? You could give each of them, at best, HALF credit as being African. This would mean you've named fewer polymaths than you intended to.
I mean, just real talk, if these people were so great and smart, why couldn't they WRITE SOME NAMES DOWN and not lose them?
3. And I forgot, the reason African dictators couldn't do as much harm as Europeans is that they were unable to invent similar weapons. The African is no less violent than any other man. He's just never been as well-armed. He's had to stick to killing his fellow African, for the most part. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »
You quoted the author of a CHILDREN'S BOOK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Mankind
Amazing scholarship there, boy.
Van Loom was a Historian, who taught History at an Ivy League school. He authored that book for children so they could grasp it.
That is why I presented it to you.
Van Loom was a friend and advisor to FDR and arguably the most respected Historian and prolific historical writer of his time. He wrote on vast subjects from European History to American Presidents and politics.
Sad part is you had to look that up on wikepedia and he was one of the most revered figures in your neck of the woods.
White boy.
