Real talk why is Africa so behind in advancement and development?
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arguably the most respected Historian and prolific historical writer of his time.
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as usual, you got your confirmation bias going on
anything, even if it were a Dr. Seuss book, that supports your racist agenda is good to you
anything else, no matter the source, is discarded
You're basically just not a real ? at all. -
We barely know anything about Pythagoras. None of his writings survives. We have a few works from his students. None of these works mention a Divine Unity. The only place they were persecuted was Croton but this was due to their leader Philolaus trying to become tyrant. Pythagoras teaching did not reduce the number of Gods at all but tried to explain the world by an interaction of limitless thing and limiting things. The biggest piece of his religious philosophy was the transmigration of the soul. (Reincarnation) He did believe that the universe was based on numbers but this was not monotheism.
Several groups claim ties to Pythagoras without historical support such as the Neopythagorean. These groups may be monotheistic but Pythagoras was not.
I wouldn't lean too much on wikepedia. Their entry on Pyhtagorus changes every few months. Why last year their entry on him was completely different. This no doubt to the controversy surrounding Afrocentric vs Eurocentric scholarship. Every time something validates African influence or presence, they rush to change it. I wll cede one thing. His movement did grow more in Italy after his demise due to his followers having to flee Greece proper.
You should look at the more academic sources. And also look at what his post contemporaries had to say like Laertos and Clement
If you study his code that he instructed his followers to live by and at least what they presented. There is hardly any difference between their practice and Judaism or more importantly the Ancient Essene community which many claimed Jesus was a part of. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »1. There have been lots of great leftist (and even communist!) Africans. Nelson Mandela, for one, obviously. No Arab influence in him. Maybe European influence, but you wouldn't want to admit that, I suppose.
I agree. Except to qualify that the USSR did manage to ? up a lot of African nations just as much as the US did, if not more. Of course, Mandela wasn't a polymath.2. You really don't think it matters that 9 out of the 10 people you named were members of societies dominated and influenced by Eastern powers? You could give each of them, at best, HALF credit as being African. This would mean you've named fewer polymaths than you intended to.
I don't believe in racial histories, I think it's immature and dishonest to approach history with eighteenth century racial categories in your head. I named polymaths who were African. They were on the African continent, they were African natives, and they are part of African history.I mean, just real talk, if these people were so great and smart, why couldn't they WRITE SOME NAMES DOWN and not lose them?
I'm not sure the Western African Empires had a written language until the arrival of Arabic influence. As for the others, maybe they did write them and it hasn't been discovered yet. Many African societies valued community achievement over individual achievement. They recorded the names of kings and rulers, but not their scribes, elders, and wise men.3. And I forgot, the reason African dictators couldn't do as much harm as Europeans is that they were unable to invent similar weapons. The African is no less violent than any other man. He's just never been as well-armed. He's had to stick to killing his fellow African, for the most part.
Personally, I think all humans are capable of evil against eachother regardless of their "race." So white men and black men are certainly capable of the same degree of violence. In the history of Africa, however, whites win as far as destructive influence goes. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »?
as usual, you got your confirmation bias going on
anything, even if it were a Dr. Seuss book, that supports your racist agenda is good to you
anything else, no matter the source, is discarded
You're basically just not a real ? at all.
History is the same whether it is written for a child or adult. The only thing that changes is the complexity of presentation.
Your methodology of confirmation is ghetto scholarship.
Besides, Van Loom is not the only one, who said that you know. Your bubble of white supremacy false ideology is being popped and you don't like it.
Anybody who doesn't agree with you is racist. I admitted white peoples technological advancement was superior in this modern dispensation of time. But since your blind and neurotic you missed that in the earlier part of the thread.
Your sad. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »?
as usual, you got your confirmation bias going on
anything, even if it were a Dr. Seuss book, that supports your racist agenda is good to you
anything else, no matter the source, is discarded
You're basically just not a real ? at all.
I like white people. Some of my best throw rugs are whites.
And I love Jews. Apple Jews, Orange Jews, Grape Jews,.......... -
Your bubble of white supremacy false ideology is being popped and you don't like it.
I'm not a racist.
You are, though. This has been thoroughly exposed. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »1. There have been lots of great leftist (and even communist!) Africans. Nelson Mandela, for one, obviously. No Arab influence in him. Maybe European influence, but you wouldn't want to admit that, I.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Easy bruiser. Mandela was no communist. His greatest help on the continent came from Qadafi and the Libyan govt. He publicly stated that they supported the ANC with material support during the struggle. All he got from the communist were some tracts and some musty Capn Crunch uniforms. Basically, he took help from wherever he could get it.
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KTULU IS BACK wrote: »
I have this. He just praised certain aspects of the Communist movement. The book isn't even all Mandela writings. It is part writings of people who want to portray him in a certain light. If you look in the book and actually read it. You will see him praising Qadafi, a Muslim, who also adopted some socialist ideas. Matter of fact, the book was written for members of ANC who wanted to adopt communist philosophy and Mandela wanted them to be careful, hence the title " How to be a Good Communist". Because he knew some of them were not good and duplicitous.
Mandela was no more Communist than the Early Black Panthers or martin Luther King were socialist. In fact he didn't trust them. As the ANC became more broad and began to include Coloreds and Indians he was more open to the communist ideas. He visited there countries but he was not an avowed communist.
Sorry, try again.
Read his AutoBiography, he talks about this. -
the early black panthers were communist
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KTULU IS BACK wrote: »the early black panthers were communist
Not totally, exactly. The later Blank Panthers of the first dispensation were, that is what caused the split in the Black panthers because some of them wanted to have whites involved in the movement and some didn't. They wanted to move away from racial reactionary movement to more class struggle.
Unless you are talking of the New Black Panthers, which I will concede the later version of the first movement were. -
Because of corrupt leaders who refuse to see beyond their own personal circles and develop infrastructure and invest in the people, with the exception of a few nations like Libya and they don't recognize that white people are not their friend and should be treated like an enemy and the devils that they most definitely, categorically, historically have been as it relates to them.
Starts with corrupt leadership though.
they same libya that recently signed oil exploration deals with a UK oil company.
i definitely would be scared if the policies of ghadaffi are seen as a model other african countries follow. -
they same libya that recently signed oil exploration deals with a UK oil company.
i definitely would be scared if the policies of ghadaffi are seen as a model other african countries follow.
Yes. One and the same. He has done better by his people than your leaders have done. Say what you want, but they are not looking for money as an oil producing nations like Nigeria to help their oil producing nation. Shameful. Your a member of OPEC and have to borrow money to maintain your "cash cow" industry.
He keeps his scientists. Nigerias brains are spread all over Europe and America. Should have been the first African superpower. -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt
In 2005, the copper deposits in the Katanga Province (former Shaba province) of the Democratic Republic of the Congo was the top producer of cobalt with almost 40% world share, reports the British Geological Survey.[26] The political situation in the Congo influences the price of cobalt significantly.[27]
The main application of cobalt is as the metal in alloys. Cobalt is a main component in US planes and nuclear weapons. Seti- "80 percent of the cobalt comes from the Congo."
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/10/21/congo.noteboook/index.html?hpt=C1
Congo's beauty hides horrors from worldBy Nima Elbagir, CNNOctober 22, 2010 -- Updated 1421 GMT (2221 HKT)
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Yes. One and the same. He has done better by his people than your leaders have done. Say what you want, but they are not looking for money as an oil producing nations like Nigeria to help their oil producing nation. Shameful. Your a member of OPEC and have to borrow money to maintain your "cash cow" industry.
He keeps his scientists. Nigerias brains are spread all over Europe and America. Should have been the first African superpower.
i think the wastefulness of the nigerian governmentis well known by now. you should also keep in mind libya has a smaller population than nigeria and therefore an higher per capita income. libya still needs to diversify its economy. -
i think the wastefulness of the nigerian governmentis well known by now. you should also keep in mind libya has a smaller population than nigeria and therefore an higher per capita income. libya still needs to diversify its economy.
Point duly noted. Irrelevant to the pomposity you displayed earlier but duly noted. -
corruption, explotation and separitism...wich is sad b/c if Africa was united and looked out for their own (other african nations and countries) and kept all of thiere natrual resources (gold, oil, diamonds) they would be the richest continent in the world
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Princess Jihad wrote: »Much of it has to do with the IMF and the WB. The loans that they have given are supposed to stimulate investment, but have had no great creation of monetary benefit for citizens in different African countries. Most African countries have to pay back the huge amounts of debts that they have amassed from these two institutions. The other reasons are slavery and colonialism. Slavery interrupted traditional trade routes and empires, thus destabilizing many local economies. Colonialism sucked Africa dry of many of its resources and had exploited labor for foreign countries. Those factors contributed to neo colonialism that exists now, with corrupt leaders caring more about foreign investors than the people that put them in office.
i don't think it's the job of the IMF or WB to tell a borrowing nation how to spend the credit available to it. that's like blaming sallie mae when a student spends on his financial aid loan check on a rims and a PS3. african countries wasted their loans or spent it on white elephant projects (ajaokuta steel mill in nigeria, volta dam in ghana). africans weren't forced to take on those loans. i do admit colonialism pulled a fast one on us but it's impact is often overstated.
most african countries need foreign investment badly. how do you think liberia, sierra-leone and the likes can be rebuilt. the same foreign investment is what spurred growth in china.
we obviously belong to different schools of thought when it comes to africa. -
Point duly noted. Irrelevant to the pomposity you displayed earlier but duly noted.
pomposity? i object.
lol@ your sig
corruption, explotation and separitism...wich is sad b/c if Africa was united and looked out for their own (other african nations and countries) and kept all of thiere natrual resources (gold, oil, diamonds) they would be the richest continent in the world
your knowledge of african history is definitely pathetic if you think it was united. africa is the second largest land mass next to asia. It was home to large empires with competing interests. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »
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Puports to be from a handwritten manuscript by Mandela; edited and presented by his political enemies
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pomposity? i object.
lol@ your sig
corruption, explotation and separitism...wich is sad b/c if Africa was united and looked out for their own (other african nations and countries) and kept all of thiere natrual resources (gold, oil, diamonds) they would be the richest continent in the world
your knowledge of african history is definitely pathetic if you think it was united. africa is the second largest land mass next to asia. It was home to large empires with competing interests.
Yo ? , I think you got your multi quote game messed up. You obviously quoting someone else.
I never said that. And I am up on my African history, player. I know all about the Songhay, Mali, and Ghana empires. My second born is going to be named Mansa Musa or Jerry. -
KTULU IS BACK wrote: »I'm not a racist.
.......but you believe there weren't any Black Polymaths until ummmmm Frederick Douglass?
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Yo ? , I think you got your multi quote game messed up. You obviously quoting someone else.
I never said that. And I am up on my African history, player. I know all about the Songhay, Mali, and Ghana empires. My second born is going to be named Mansa Musa or Jerry.
nah man i was talking to copperkid. my bad
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So much ignorance and borderline stupidity in this thread. SMH.
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