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  • BlackxChild
    BlackxChild Members Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    freehuey89 wrote: »
    t/s you sound like my girl lol.....you gotta understand he's a third year starter, in three seasons in the nfl. it takes time to develop a quarterback, its rare when a qb comes out of college and is an elite player. plus it was basically our first year with real weapons at the reciever position, chemistry will be much better next year. the playoff experience he's had the past few years is beneficial as well. he def has to work on his clutch performance, and making smarter decisions.....and i need to start seeing a peyton-like general presence on the field.

    It isnt rare anymore u either suck or u dont the NFL has changed.
  • huey
    huey Members Posts: 11,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It isnt rare anymore u either suck or u dont the NFL has changed.

    so you're saying player development is a nonexistent aspect in the nfl?
  • Darius
    Darius Members Posts: 22,649 ✭✭✭✭
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    some people type ? just because it sounds good, not because it makes any sense.


    u do realize that Flacco doesn't get alot of hype. Now when his team is playing on MNF or SNF or in the playoffs, then sure he gets alot of press cause thats what the media does, but overall he's gets nowhere near the press that the top qb's get. He's a top 15 qb and he gets treated accordingly. He's done more in his first three NFL seasons than most any other qb's in the history of the league have done in their first 3 years.

    Is he gonna be a 4,000yd, 30+ tds a game type of qb, absolutely not. He's an above average qb, but he's not gonna be the focal point of any offense. and EVERYONE KNOWS THAT so stop actin like people are treating him as if he's something he is not.

    and no, his stats don't suck. 7th in the NFL in qb rating, 10th in td passes, and probaby 11th or 12th in passing yards. and 10th in completion %.
  • R.D.
    R.D. Members Posts: 20,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    matt- wrote: »
    some people type ? just because it sounds good, not because it makes any sense.


    u do realize that Flacco doesn't get alot of hype. Now when his team is playing on MNF or SNF or in the playoffs, then sure he gets alot of press cause thats what the media does, but overall he's gets nowhere near the press that the top qb's get. He's a top 15 qb and he gets treated accordingly. He's done more in his first three NFL seasons than most any other qb's in the history of the league have done in their first 3 years.

    Is he gonna be a 4,000yd, 30+ tds a game type of qb, absolutely not. He's an above average qb, but he's not gonna be the focal point of any offense. and EVERYONE KNOWS THAT so stop actin like people are treating him as if he's something he is not.

    and no, his stats don't suck. 7th in the NFL in qb rating, 10th in td passes, and probaby 11th or 12th in passing yards. and 10th in completion %.

    Would you want him for the Panthers
  • Darius
    Darius Members Posts: 22,649 ✭✭✭✭
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    rap doctor wrote: »
    Would you want him for the Panthers

    damn right...
  • new account2
    new account2 Members Posts: 1,469
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    I dunno.......I cant put the blame totally on flacco......he's def the best quarterback since we had testerverde.......and considering quaterback play has been a downside for the ravens for years.....flacco is an improvement.....

    at the same time.....It seems like the offense should be more explosive than it is.....I dont where to point the finger.....the receving corps and overall passing offense would seem like one of the best in the league on paper minus flacco, but when you look at it from a match up stand point, we have 4 possession receivers.....which is good enough to beat the mid level defenses, but the reason why the ravens dont be smashing ? like the steelers and jets D like that........the running game is decent or has the potential to be decent.......Mcclain almost turned in a 1000 yard 2 seasons ago......Rice....welll ? ? know about rice.....and mcgahee is aight.......I dunno......We just dont get it done.
  • nujerz84
    nujerz84 Members Posts: 15,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    matt- wrote: »
    some people type ? just because it sounds good, not because it makes any sense. u do realize that Flacco doesn't get alot of hype. Now when his team is playing on MNF or SNF or in the playoffs, then sure he gets alot of press cause thats what the media does, but overall he's gets nowhere near the press that the top qb's get. He's a top 15 qb and he gets treated accordingly. He's done more in his first three NFL seasons than most any other qb's in the history of the league have done in their first 3 years. Is he gonna be a 4,000yd, 30+ tds a game type of qb, absolutely not. He's an above average qb, but he's not gonna be the focal point of any offense. and EVERYONE KNOWS THAT so stop actin like people are treating him as if he's something he is not. and no, his stats don't suck. 7th in the NFL in qb rating, 10th in td passes, and probaby 11th or 12th in passing yards. and 10th in completion %.
    I agree with all of this add the fact that only a handful of QBs get 4000 yards and 30 tds and every season. He wasnt that far off this season with over 3800 yards and 28 td passes. This guy didnt play much in college and when he did it was at Delaware not even a D1 school. My issue is cats naming first round bust, players about to be replaced in the draft and or players that riding the bench who best years are still not better. At the start of the season would any of you would turn down your qb throwin for over 3800 yards 28 tds only 10 int about 64% completion percentage and a above 92 qb rating in a run first offense while going 12-4 and win a road playoff game. How many would turn that down?
  • [Deleted User]
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    flacco is a top 10 qb .. what happened in pittsburg is what happens to 90% of the offenses that play pittsburg .. come out nice first half but by mid 3rd quarter ya offense is sluggish from the detailed pounding the steelers initiate every defensive down ..

    flacco looks real relaxed in the pocket which is usually a good thing .. he may need to tighten it up though and read his progressions a bit better .. I saw bolden wide a few times .. besides that I like the dudes poise honestly he doesn't look rattled out there ....
  • aneed123
    aneed123 Members Posts: 23,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Flacco didnt lose that game. The turnovers and defense lost it. the long catch and fumble by Rice were huge. In the words of Dennis Green they let em off the hook
  • MallyG
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    I dunno.......I cant put the blame totally on flacco......he's def the best quarterback since we had testerverde.......and considering quaterback play has been a downside for the ravens for years.....flacco is an improvement.....

    at the same time.....It seems like the offense should be more explosive than it is.....I dont where to point the finger.....the receving corps and overall passing offense would seem like one of the best in the league on paper minus flacco, but when you look at it from a match up stand point, we have 4 possession receivers.....which is good enough to beat the mid level defenses, but the reason why the ravens dont be smashing ? like the steelers and jets D like that........the running game is decent or has the potential to be decent.......Mcclain almost turned in a 1000 yard 2 seasons ago......Rice....welll ? ? know about rice.....and mcgahee is aight.......I dunno......We just dont get it done.

    Bruh, u makin' a lot of sense in here. But I really think the problem lies mainly on Cam Cameron and his basic ass schemes (which Marshall Faulk called him out on BEFORE the game Saturday) and his vanilla ass play calling. Why does Cam insist on passing on 1st & 10, and if it's incomplete, he then decides to run the same HB lead on 2nd and 10, which results in a 1 or 2 yrd gain and puts them @ 3rd and long. This happens way to often and I have been noticing it since last season (Cams 2nd year in). They don't run enough crossing routes or slants to take pressure off of Flacco if the run game isn't there, but instead every wideout run 10/15 yard + routes and that take a while to develop. I could go on and on about the weak coordinating that offense has. Granted, Flacco has work to do and needs to get better in some areas (progressions, pocket awarenesss/side step/step up), he still is a pretty good QB in my eyes.

    BTW, McClain was a beast even w/ limited carries a a couple years ago. I feel his roll reduced to just a blocker was foolish on their part, b/c you don't get/see a halfback that big with good footwork everyday. And as much as I like McGahee, dat nikka is outta there. Dante was supposed to be our long ball threat, but I can't even remember if he saw the field against Pittsburgh.

    Quick question y'all...... Would u release Dante or T.J. to pick up Randy Moss (mostly for a downfield threat b/c Flacco does have a deep ball) if you could get Moss for a decent ticket (price)?
  • KplusK
    KplusK Members Posts: 2,114 ✭✭
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    Playoffs Passing Rushing Receiving Fumbles
    Season Team Games Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rating Att Yds Avg Lg TD Rec Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Lost
    2008 Baltimore 3 75 33 44.0% 437 5.8 48 1 3 50.8 12 5 0.5 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    2009 Baltimore 2 45 24 53.3% 223 4.96 27 0 3 39.4 7 7 1 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    2010 Baltimore 2 64 41 64.06% 390 6.1 28 3 1 90.0 9 25 2.8 5 1 1 0 0 0 0 3 2

    yes his numbers do suck and thats why he wont ever take them pass a good season since noone wants to mention his playoff stats and just the reg season
  • KplusK
    KplusK Members Posts: 2,114 ✭✭
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    Sunday afternoon, Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco had possibly the worst individual performance -- from a statistical standpoint -- of a signal-caller in a winning playoff effort. Flacco completed just four of his 10 pass attempts, one of which was for negative yardage, for a total of 34 yards. With no touchdown passes and an interception being factored in and you get a quarterback rating of 10.0.

    Of course, the Ravens didn't need him to put up passing numbers. They ran the ball 52 times for 234 yards and four touchdowns. Ray Rice went 83 yards on the first play from scrimmage to set the tone and the defense picked Tom Brady off three times and also grabbed a fumble from him.

    cmon son and yall really giving him credit for winning playoff games early in his career
  • Ferranijiomogo
    Ferranijiomogo Members Posts: 4
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  • jaxn
    jaxn Members Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭✭
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    wow Flacco is that good huh? He's better than David, Campbell Orton and Freeman huh? wow. It's a good thing he has that fire defense to help him out. Did someone actually say that he's better than McNabb and equal to Big Ben..hahaha comedy all in this thread.
  • KplusK
    KplusK Members Posts: 2,114 ✭✭
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    ok noone wants to talk bout his playoff stats huh...lol
  • R.D.
    R.D. Members Posts: 20,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    KplusK wrote: »
    ok noone wants to talk bout his playoff stats huh...lol

    you know they didnt

    You bring out them facts on they ass, ? bow down
  • vageneral08
    vageneral08 Members Posts: 19,535 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    so nobody is gonna blame jim zorn?
  • Rollin_Thunda
    Rollin_Thunda Members Posts: 502 ✭✭✭
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    Flacco aint the QB for them he serviceable right now and can get better with time but by then the D wont be the same...when he came out everybody fell in love with his "huge arm" but didnt see that he always has to set his feet when he throws he cant make throws from different launch points just like Sanchez, and Mallett and Cash Cam most really tall QB's are like that thats why they dont do so hot in the league. He aint overly tall but Peyton Manning can do that because he is always moving his feet in the pocket. they tried to knock him when he came out saying he had happy feet and was too anixous in the pocket but that made he more adept to throwing from different launch points because you rarely get to set your feet in the league unless you got a damn good o-line. Word to Ron Jaworski on that. a lot of people be sleeping on his expertise on QB's be more often than not he's dead on about what he is saying.
  • esco soprano
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    KplusK wrote: »
    ok i hear all yall saying he's only had 3 years in league and giving him praise but ? gotta also look at his ? ups and i just dont see him taking them to a bowl at all if he keeps playing like that. kolb>>>>>flacco

    Kolb is ? trash he is not ? with Flacco. Vick owns that team now....
  • esco soprano
    esco soprano Members Posts: 2,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    nujerz84 wrote: »
    Flacco went to a team coming off a 5 win season with a new rookie head coach and alot questions about the leaders on the team being up there in age and so called expert calling the Ravens a rebuilding in transtion then he led them to 11-5 record won 2 road playoff games losing to the Superbowl champs in AFC title game. This is without Boldin and Housz..

    CHURCH. These ? ain't see that.
  • KplusK
    KplusK Members Posts: 2,114 ✭✭
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    Kolb is ? trash he is not ? with Flacco. Vick owns that team now....

    you acting like he lost it cause of bad play and if kolb is trash flacco gotta be sewage then
  • GetMoneyInDaN.O.
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    when it comes to Flacco.....we in a society where ? expected to come in and win championships 1st season...and the fact that dude went to the afc champ game his rookie year the bar has been set high.....he only in his 3rd season its alot of qb's that didnt win the big game til later in their careers....Peyton Manning,Drew Brees,Steve Young
  • R.D.
    R.D. Members Posts: 20,156 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    People keep making excuses for Flacco and you just proving my point. Flacco is currently holding the team back. No matter if he is in his 3rd or 11th year, right now he's holding the team back
  • GetMoneyInDaN.O.
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    rap doctor wrote: »
    People keep making excuses for Flacco and you just proving my point. Flacco is currently holding the team back. No matter if he is in his 3rd or 11th year, right now he's holding the team back

    ? thats how u feel cant knock that...its just people have that monday mornin qb syndrome...he plays good he the reason u won...u lose he holdin ya back..cant have it both ways
  • KplusK
    KplusK Members Posts: 2,114 ✭✭
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    ? thats how u feel cant knock that...its just people have that monday mornin qb syndrome...he plays good he the reason u won...u lose he holdin ya back..cant have it both ways

    ok check this ? talk bout how bad dilfer was and he won off of game management and defence flacco has a better offence and same if not better d and still cant get it done. now his d bout to be gone in a few years so how far do you really think he can take them after that happens?