2017 NBA Off Season Thread: Draft & Free Agency & Summer League
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Stop..replace ainge for what?? If other GMs aint ? w Ainge its cause he out smarted the nets GM
that aint Ainge's fault....
He still got lotto picks..how can u be mad at that..
What u want to be the knicks right now?? Or cleveland who is letting lebron control everything...
I would love to be Cleveland.
Are you crazy?
Sac or LA picks might be valuable, but the East is trash now, so that Brooklyn pic isn't a given. Ainge's draft history is terrible. He ? about high character guys, then covets Berry Brozier. Somehow, people keep buying the spin?
He was gifted Garnett by a friend and fleeced an incompetent Brooklyn GM for assets that are steadily losing value. League sources have been quoted as saying they have a different asking price for the Celtics because we have so many assets. But, this ? miser/Mormon Ainge keeps trading for assets. You never have to hold him accountable if he just continues that cycle.
If Tatum doesn't end up being a star and Fultz ? out then what?
We just gonna' rely on the potential that those picks might be good?
I was all in for a rebuild, but an NBA Championship is rare and you need to strike while the iron is hot. That's what GS did and that's what Cleveland did.
But, maybe Denver will trade us Mason Plumlee for a 1st in 2022 to sure up our rebounding?
U want to be cleveland w lebron walking soon. And Kyrie leaving when bron leaves....only having one ring..cuz they aint beating GS next season
bruh..calm down. U acting like a emotional fan right now....
LOLOLOLOL at this ? ...
Didn't realize it wasn't cool to be a fan on the cheapseats.
The Cavs are in a much better position for a title than we are by virtue of having Lebron.
There isn't a player in the league that wouldn't go to the Cavs if given the opportunity.
As long as he's there, that door is open for a championship.
Just cause you are being a fan, doesnt mean you arent being an emotional one. Fan/fanatic/Fanaticism....
I think it was pretty clear who the number 1 team in the east was the day Lebron said he was going back to cleveland...i think its pretty clear also who won n who is winning the nba championship next year.
Cs arent in any of those scenarios, on top of the fact indy was never gonna trade PG to boston unless Ainge turned into Billy King n gave up everything 4 a rental player
Also guess who wont be ? once LBJ leaves in the near future...
And ahh u must of forgot Jimmy bulter didnt want to go to that said team...
Emmm why is that? Since "i dont watch the nba" according to you. You tell me...
Yeah' I'm aware and I understand you, but you're arguing against something that you said my guy. It's a little silly.
But I'll rehash what I've already said, as long is Lebron is in Cleveland, they will be a contender for titles as well as any star player on the market.
I just don't have that hometown enthusiasm for a front office that keeps 'puffing up' to sell us the same ? over and over again.
I'm a fan of the Celtics, I'm not a fan of Ainge.
And my orig. stand point was...plan A didnt work..you still have plan B..lotto picks you can build a contender for the future..
Its not about being a homer w me. Cuz Axel n JohnB would tell u. As soon as the Big 3 was gone. I wanted them to start young and "tank" for jabri parker they werent with that..
i dont see the need to fire danny Ainge where there are plenty of trash GMs in the league...far worse than danny ainge..
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its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Lol at replace Ainge stop bruh
Marc Gasol isn't walking through that door.
This cult of personality ? around Ainge is disgusting. He isn't untouchable.
Explain in detail how Ainge is ? up...
I'm not running this ? down again. Read the thread and rate his draft picks over the past 10 years.
Again? When did you run anything down? And what does his draft picks 10 years ago (the year he turned the Celtics into a championship squad) have to do with this summer? Last I checked we started this rebuild after the 12-13 season and by 16-17 we are in the ecf so how in the ? is Ainge the problem?
GM's don't draft players?
Peep the star power and sheer talent!
2007 Jeff Green
2008 JR Giddens
None
2010 Avery Bradley
2011 MarShon Brooks
2012 Jared Sullinger
2012 Fab Melo (RIP)
2014 Marcus Smart
2014 James Young
2015 Terry Rozier
2015 RJ Hunter
2016 Jaylen Brown (The only possible exception to a bunch of incomplete role players.)
Now Ainge is continuing to trade for assets that are losing value because we have them in excess and he is unable to complete a trade for a star. Which is--in theory--what one hopes an asset will become.
If Ainge cant get stars to the team, then he needs to go. Getting a gift from McHale (who is no longer in a position to do that) and fleecing Billy King were solid opportunistic moves, but not an indication of a great gm.
I'd like for you and Ghost to describe for me in detail how Ainge has made Boston a desirable destination for trades and free agents?
Why is a team on the cusp (1 seed) talking about big trades that fall apart, but you guys are talking about building through the draft?
It doesn't make sense to me and aside from politics where else do we accept this level of ? ?
I'm not trying to change minds, but I'm not on that homer ? . Ainge needs to adapt (yesterday) or get the ? out.
Wack casual fan with an agenda post, but if you really want to do this we can do this
-Jeff Green got flipped for Ray Allen
-JR Gidden was the 30th pick in the draft
-Avery was a slam dunk at 19, if not tell me who he should have picked
-Brooks 25th pick, ? shoot
-Sully/Fab bad draft but understood the Sully pick and he did put together a decent couple years as a starter (4th seed),
-Smart slam dunk, Young should of stayed in collegecould of went with Draymond but didn't miss out on anything other than that
-Rozier at 16 slam dunk, if not tell me who we should have taken
-Jaylen Brown/Tatum we'll see
Now you're talking about draft picks for 10 years when I'm asking where did Ainge ? up this summer? Tell me which trade we should have made, how getting fleeced for Paul George is going to help us now or in the long run? And why a team that just made the ecf but is still drafting in the top 3 such a horrible thing, you don't give all that up if it's making you a contender
Ainge should have never traded the #1 overall pick and consensus best player in the draft if his goal was to rebuild through the draft. I would have been cool with sitting pat. But, Danny needs those assets to keep the ? train to homerville running for you huh?
Lolololol at casual fan. Sorry John, I'm not on real gm pouring my energy into the CBA to figure out how the Celtics can acquire Marc Gasol. (Who is great, but isn't going anywhere.) And if we're "building through the draft and have no chance of beating the Warriors or Cavs" why would Gasol come here?
lolololol@"could of went with Draymond but didn't miss out on anything other than that"
How is it possible that none of the blame falls on the GM's shoulders when the front office makes promises that they wont or cant keep?
I've been paying for games since I was a teen. At some point, if you keep lying to me, I'm not going to buy your product.
I guess that makes me a casual fan?
I should be more enamored by powerhouses like Smart and Crowder?
But please explain my agenda?
I'm sorry that I came for Danny (your father).
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its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Lol at replace Ainge stop bruh
Marc Gasol isn't walking through that door.
This cult of personality ? around Ainge is disgusting. He isn't untouchable.
Explain in detail how Ainge is ? up...
I'm not running this ? down again. Read the thread and rate his draft picks over the past 10 years.
Again? When did you run anything down? And what does his draft picks 10 years ago (the year he turned the Celtics into a championship squad) have to do with this summer? Last I checked we started this rebuild after the 12-13 season and by 16-17 we are in the ecf so how in the ? is Ainge the problem?
GM's don't draft players?
Peep the star power and sheer talent!
2007 Jeff Green
2008 JR Giddens
None
2010 Avery Bradley
2011 MarShon Brooks
2012 Jared Sullinger
2012 Fab Melo (RIP)
2014 Marcus Smart
2014 James Young
2015 Terry Rozier
2015 RJ Hunter
2016 Jaylen Brown (The only possible exception to a bunch of incomplete role players.)
Now Ainge is continuing to trade for assets that are losing value because we have them in excess and he is unable to complete a trade for a star. Which is--in theory--what one hopes an asset will become.
If Ainge cant get stars to the team, then he needs to go. Getting a gift from McHale (who is no longer in a position to do that) and fleecing Billy King were solid opportunistic moves, but not an indication of a great gm.
I'd like for you and Ghost to describe for me in detail how Ainge has made Boston a desirable destination for trades and free agents?
Why is a team on the cusp (1 seed) talking about big trades that fall apart, but you guys are talking about building through the draft?
It doesn't make sense to me and aside from politics where else do we accept this level of ? ?
I'm not trying to change minds, but I'm not on that homer ? . Ainge needs to adapt (yesterday) or get the ? out.
Wack casual fan with an agenda post, but if you really want to do this we can do this
-Jeff Green got flipped for Ray Allen
-JR Gidden was the 30th pick in the draft
-Avery was a slam dunk at 19, if not tell me who he should have picked
-Brooks 25th pick, ? shoot
-Sully/Fab bad draft but understood the Sully pick and he did put together a decent couple years as a starter (4th seed),
-Smart slam dunk, Young should of stayed in collegecould of went with Draymond but didn't miss out on anything other than that
-Rozier at 16 slam dunk, if not tell me who we should have taken
-Jaylen Brown/Tatum we'll see
Now you're talking about draft picks for 10 years when I'm asking where did Ainge ? up this summer? Tell me which trade we should have made, how getting fleeced for Paul George is going to help us now or in the long run? And why a team that just made the ecf but is still drafting in the top 3 such a horrible thing, you don't give all that up if it's making you a contender
Ainge should have never traded the #1 overall pick and consensus best player in the draft if his goal was to rebuild through the draft. I would have been cool with sitting pat. But, Danny needs those assets to keep the ? train to homerville running for you huh?
Lolololol at casual fan. Sorry John, I'm not on real gm pouring my energy into the CBA to figure out how the Celtics can acquire Marc Gasol. (Who is great, but isn't going anywhere.) And if we're "building through the draft and have no chance of beating the Warriors or Cavs" why would Gasol come here?
lolololol@"could of went with Draymond but didn't miss out on anything other than that"
How is it possible that none of the blame falls on the GM's shoulders when the front office makes promises that they wont or cant keep?
I've been paying for games since I was a teen. At some point, if you keep lying to me, I'm not going to buy your product.
I guess that makes me a casual fan?
I should be more enamored by powerhouses like Smart and Crowder?
But please explain my agenda?
I'm sorry that I came for Danny (your father).
You're upset because you're getting bodied, you still haven't once explained where Ainge ? up this summer because you can't I'll body that debate as well, Gasol would come here because he wouldn't have a ? say it's called a ? trade, and we're in a rare position where we are a deep playoff team that can still build through the draft because of guess who? I shouldn't have to explain that
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Lol y'all ? hilarious
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af.r.i.c.a. wrote: »Isaac trash. ? looking like Anthony Randolph jr out there
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its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Doesn't draft well, doesn't make successful trades, overpays for bums, yet somehow....
Don't be obtuse. Argue specific instances.
You can't find me ? on Horford, but is Horford a star caliber talent?
We gonna' credit Ainge for lucking out on IT? If so, cool! But does IT want to stay on a team that is either unable to acquire talent or still sees itself as rebuilding after carrying said team to a #1 seed?
If all of Ainge's moves don't directly net The Celtics star level talent soon, then he has failed miserably. And it's unlikely that we will see another year anytime soon with this many marquis players bouncing around.
Nah bruh, you're worse than these short sighted racist cacs that call in to the radio station that just want stars by any means necessary no matter who it is or what being giving up, if Hayward don't come here that's not Ainge's fault, these teams want to fleece us like we're the ones in desperation mode that's not Ainge's fault, Hayward/George would of been a best case scenario and now you're talking about a team that truly contend, but that ? was highly unlikely the whole time you and all these other bozo's got your hopes up and now you're pointing fingers at the wrong person
My guy. I don't listen to Boston Sport's radio.
I already said that I don't care if Hayward comes here.
The front office creates these rumors, not the fans (even the myopic Cacs).
Again, I'm sorry for pointing a finger at your father. I'm sure he was doing it for John Smith.
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TheBossman wrote: »af.r.i.c.a. wrote: »Isaac trash. ? looking like Anthony Randolph jr out there
Damn bruh, 2 quarters into summer league tho?
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Stop..replace ainge for what?? If other GMs aint ? w Ainge its cause he out smarted the nets GM
that aint Ainge's fault....
He still got lotto picks..how can u be mad at that..
What u want to be the knicks right now?? Or cleveland who is letting lebron control everything...
I would love to be Cleveland.
Are you crazy?
Sac or LA picks might be valuable, but the East is trash now, so that Brooklyn pic isn't a given. Ainge's draft history is terrible. He ? about high character guys, then covets Berry Brozier. Somehow, people keep buying the spin?
He was gifted Garnett by a friend and fleeced an incompetent Brooklyn GM for assets that are steadily losing value. League sources have been quoted as saying they have a different asking price for the Celtics because we have so many assets. But, this ? miser/Mormon Ainge keeps trading for assets. You never have to hold him accountable if he just continues that cycle.
If Tatum doesn't end up being a star and Fultz ? out then what?
We just gonna' rely on the potential that those picks might be good?
I was all in for a rebuild, but an NBA Championship is rare and you need to strike while the iron is hot. That's what GS did and that's what Cleveland did.
But, maybe Denver will trade us Mason Plumlee for a 1st in 2022 to sure up our rebounding?
U want to be cleveland w lebron walking soon. And Kyrie leaving when bron leaves....only having one ring..cuz they aint beating GS next season
bruh..calm down. U acting like a emotional fan right now....
LOLOLOLOL at this ? ...
Didn't realize it wasn't cool to be a fan on the cheapseats.
The Cavs are in a much better position for a title than we are by virtue of having Lebron.
There isn't a player in the league that wouldn't go to the Cavs if given the opportunity.
As long as he's there, that door is open for a championship.
Just cause you are being a fan, doesnt mean you arent being an emotional one. Fan/fanatic/Fanaticism....
I think it was pretty clear who the number 1 team in the east was the day Lebron said he was going back to cleveland...i think its pretty clear also who won n who is winning the nba championship next year.
Cs arent in any of those scenarios, on top of the fact indy was never gonna trade PG to boston unless Ainge turned into Billy King n gave up everything 4 a rental player
Also guess who wont be ? once LBJ leaves in the near future...
And ahh u must of forgot Jimmy bulter didnt want to go to that said team...
Emmm why is that? Since "i dont watch the nba" according to you. You tell me...
Yeah' I'm aware and I understand you, but you're arguing against something that you said my guy. It's a little silly.
But I'll rehash what I've already said, as long is Lebron is in Cleveland, they will be a contender for titles as well as any star player on the market.
I just don't have that hometown enthusiasm for a front office that keeps 'puffing up' to sell us the same ? over and over again.
I'm a fan of the Celtics, I'm not a fan of Ainge.
And my orig. stand point was...plan A didnt work..you still have plan B..lotto picks you can build a contender for the future..
Its not about being a homer w me. Cuz Axel n JohnB would tell u. As soon as the Big 3 was gone. I wanted them to start young and "tank" for jabri parker they werent with that..
i dont see the need to fire danny Ainge where there are plenty of trash GMs in the league...far worse than danny ainge..
No need to be ridiculous...
That's fair.
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I don't even know what promises this fool is talking about, but this dude is really about to give up on the Celtics who were just in the ecf because he didn't get star struck this summer lol, I never seen anything like this
Knicks fans>>>this dude
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its....JOHN B wrote: »I don't even know what promises this fool is talking about, but this dude is really about to give up on the Celtics who were just in the ecf because he didn't get star struck this summer lol, I never seen anything like this
Knicks fans>>>this dude
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Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Cousins,Pg and Jimmy were all traded in the last 4 months.No excuses for ainge not getting one of these players he has more assets than any gm in the league.
If they get hayward alone that's still not enough to beat the cavs they needed 2 pieces.And the real reason hayward is the c's priority cuz he's white and can be sold to the racist fan base in boston he is not a better overall player than jimmy or pg.
Or w 3 potiential lotto picks coming up. You say f it..let the west beat each other up for a few seasons then you take over for the future..
You have no idea what the nets will do in fa they may put together a team that can get the 8 seed
Greak Freak 22 years old.Sixers have a young trio who are all better than any young player on the c's taking over the future isn't guaranteed.
1. I did say "potential"
2. And since we are talking hypothetical the greek freak may not turn into anything and the nets may not do enough n the Cs could draft youngins that turn out better than what the sixers have...
The Greek Freak is already a top ten NBA player? What are you talking about?
Celtics front office continues to not do ? .
Bruh..i know i havent watch the nba as much..but i know this ? aint true....stop it.
Name ten players in the league that are better than Giannis now and have his upside?
How you gonna' argue player value when admitting to not watching the NBA?
Ok let me say this clear cause apparently its over ? head.
Im not arguing his value. Im saying for all he is now..he could also become tracy mcgrady, melo, d.howard..the point....he can also become a player that doesnt lead u to a championship..
Never said he wasnt better than anything the Cs have now...
And dont change the narrative. You said top 10 player now...i took that as including vets..not 10 top up n coming player....that makes a big difference and nothing i was arguing from the get go.
Further leading me to say..no need for Danny Ainge to start thinking all is lost cause he cant build a team to contend now.
When potentially you can also build one that contends in the future..
Nah, that's not what you said. In fact you doubled down
and now you're backpeddling. You're projecting right now.Bruh..i know i havent watch the nba as much..but i know this ? aint true....stop it.
Greek Freak is a top ten player now!!!
Trying to play me out on some remedial-homer ? because I don't ? with a front office that keeps talking big ? they won't back up is silly.
Moreover, you said that you don't watch the NBA. So?
1. Lebron
2. kd
3. Curry
4. AD
5. Kyrie
6. Russell
7. Harden
8. cousins
9. pg
10. Kwahi L.
Wall even.....I.T. possible as well
No particular order...and i said AS MUCH. U quoted it right there for yourself
No back pedaling needed. I know what i mean n what my point was. Hell if i care if ? didnt get it. N i spelled it out again.
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Melo is the no trade clause Gawd.. nothing happens unless He says so.. and u gotta cash out if u cut him.. everything else is rumors
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its....JOHN B wrote: »I don't even know what promises this fool is talking about, but this dude is really about to give up on the Celtics who were just in the ecf because he didn't get star struck this summer lol, I never seen anything like this
Knicks fans>>>this dude
Aye ? you ya ? bastard
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Knicks shoulda just bought out Melo so he could go to the Cavs and guarantee Brons exit from the team
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its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »its....JOHN B wrote: »Lol at replace Ainge stop bruh
Marc Gasol isn't walking through that door.
This cult of personality ? around Ainge is disgusting. He isn't untouchable.
Explain in detail how Ainge is ? up...
I'm not running this ? down again. Read the thread and rate his draft picks over the past 10 years.
Again? When did you run anything down? And what does his draft picks 10 years ago (the year he turned the Celtics into a championship squad) have to do with this summer? Last I checked we started this rebuild after the 12-13 season and by 16-17 we are in the ecf so how in the ? is Ainge the problem?
GM's don't draft players?
Peep the star power and sheer talent!
2007 Jeff Green
2008 JR Giddens
None
2010 Avery Bradley
2011 MarShon Brooks
2012 Jared Sullinger
2012 Fab Melo (RIP)
2014 Marcus Smart
2014 James Young
2015 Terry Rozier
2015 RJ Hunter
2016 Jaylen Brown (The only possible exception to a bunch of incomplete role players.)
Now Ainge is continuing to trade for assets that are losing value because we have them in excess and he is unable to complete a trade for a star. Which is--in theory--what one hopes an asset will become.
If Ainge cant get stars to the team, then he needs to go. Getting a gift from McHale (who is no longer in a position to do that) and fleecing Billy King were solid opportunistic moves, but not an indication of a great gm.
I'd like for you and Ghost to describe for me in detail how Ainge has made Boston a desirable destination for trades and free agents?
Why is a team on the cusp (1 seed) talking about big trades that fall apart, but you guys are talking about building through the draft?
It doesn't make sense to me and aside from politics where else do we accept this level of ? ?
I'm not trying to change minds, but I'm not on that homer ? . Ainge needs to adapt (yesterday) or get the ? out.
Wack casual fan with an agenda post, but if you really want to do this we can do this
-Jeff Green got flipped for Ray Allen
-JR Gidden was the 30th pick in the draft
-Avery was a slam dunk at 19, if not tell me who he should have picked
-Brooks 25th pick, ? shoot
-Sully/Fab bad draft but understood the Sully pick and he did put together a decent couple years as a starter (4th seed),
-Smart slam dunk, Young should of stayed in collegecould of went with Draymond but didn't miss out on anything other than that
-Rozier at 16 slam dunk, if not tell me who we should have taken
-Jaylen Brown/Tatum we'll see
Now you're talking about draft picks for 10 years when I'm asking where did Ainge ? up this summer? Tell me which trade we should have made, how getting fleeced for Paul George is going to help us now or in the long run? And why a team that just made the ecf but is still drafting in the top 3 such a horrible thing, you don't give all that up if it's making you a contender
Ainge should have never traded the #1 overall pick and consensus best player in the draft if his goal was to rebuild through the draft. I would have been cool with sitting pat. But, Danny needs those assets to keep the ? train to homerville running for you huh?
Lolololol at casual fan. Sorry John, I'm not on real gm pouring my energy into the CBA to figure out how the Celtics can acquire Marc Gasol. (Who is great, but isn't going anywhere.) And if we're "building through the draft and have no chance of beating the Warriors or Cavs" why would Gasol come here?
lolololol@"could of went with Draymond but didn't miss out on anything other than that"
How is it possible that none of the blame falls on the GM's shoulders when the front office makes promises that they wont or cant keep?
I've been paying for games since I was a teen. At some point, if you keep lying to me, I'm not going to buy your product.
I guess that makes me a casual fan?
I should be more enamored by powerhouses like Smart and Crowder?
But please explain my agenda?
I'm sorry that I came for Danny (your father).
You're upset because you're getting bodied, you still haven't once explained where Ainge ? up this summer because you can't I'll body that debate as well, Gasol would come here because he wouldn't have a ? say it's called a ? trade, and we're in a rare position where we are a deep playoff team that can still build through the draft because of guess who? I shouldn't have to explain that
Lolololololol don't be obtuse
Him trading the #1 pick and consensus best player in the draft to a division rival while "building through the draft" is a good move?
And Memphis is not trading Gasol John. Sorry lil' buddy. Your magical thinking--like your dad (Danny)--isn't that powerful.
But assets...
Forget the fact that the market value on all of the Celtics said assets is--acccording to other GMs--down. Context isn't important to "real fans."
(How disappointed is your nice Newton family that you have the brain capacity of a ? Southie waste collector?)
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its....JOHN B wrote: »I don't even know what promises this fool is talking about, but this dude is really about to give up on the Celtics who were just in the ecf because he didn't get star struck this summer lol, I never seen anything like this
Knicks fans>>>this dude
Who said give up on the Celtics John?
I said ? Ainge.
Again, I'm sorry I insulted the man on your pillowcases. But, stop mis-characterizing my argument because you are too much of a homer and too stupid to understand it.
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Who cares what the general consensus is, that's not how they do business which I respect, they have their own scouts, do their own workouts and research to determine the player they want, they got the guy they wanted and another lotto pick, sorry it didn't play out the way you wanted but you can't say he ? that up until years down the road
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