White Supremacist rally in Charlottesville
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Gotta be careful with them white women. Can turn on the tears to look the damsel in distress part real quick...behind the scenes she getting a ? in some trouble. Get em ? and they'll reveal how they really feel
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PILL_COSBY wrote: »
Remember all the ? going on back in the day? Why were they constantly sticking their ? in "abominations/animals/savages"?Like don't they know ? Germany was a socialist country, I thought these alt right neo ? ,kkk ? knuckle dragging neaderthals ? hated socialism.....must be two sides.
Why do they listen to hip hop, R&B, Blues, and Rock?
Why do they watch basketball?
why do they watch anime and read manga?
Why do they eat mexican food?
Why was ? ? wide spread and normal at one point to them. Then one day it was evil?
Why was ? a jew?
? wasnt a jew stop spreading Zionist lies...a mother ? can just hate you -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »can you make the case ppl, the media both sides of the isle are inflaming tensions, yes. and can we do without the the trump and hilter, ? comparisons? yes
Good, once again, we are in agreement, but I suspect there's more...Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »but these tensions that have long existed and stems from our country's long and continued mistreatment of non white ppl
Yes...Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »and groups like BAMN and antifa are autonomous anti racist groups whose growth are fueled by white nationalism. most i heard of them is when they are either exposing neo nazis or pressuring venues to cancel ? events
Here is where we differ, I think. I mean no disrespect, but just how familiar are you with these groups? Or perhaps not very much since you asked me whether they even existed. Am I anti-racist? Yes. If that is their platform, then I agree with these groups but only on a platform level.
However, then there is the execution of this "stated" stance. This is my major beef. I believe (and you may also believe when you do research on these groups) that their execution involves demagoguery, flat-out idiocy, wanton violence, propaganda, corruption, and other counter-productive measures that actually mirror those of the very people whom they claim to protest. Again, two sides of the same coin, and I will not support ? whether it comes from one side or the other.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »while antifa perpetrates violence, it doesn’t perpetrate it on anything like the scale that white nationalists do.
Even if this was true (which might be irrelevant), is this not a self-evidently bad argument? Again, most if not all of my questions are honest, as opposed to rhetorical. But your question looks like this: But Person A only murdered 2 people. Person B murdered 12!
Imo, wanton violence is unacceptable. Period. Don't quote me on this, but I believe violence is actually strictly part of Antifa's platform. That's saying something, regardless. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »it’s no coincidence that it was a ? sympathizer who ran his car into a crowd in charlottesville
Again, seems like a weak argument at best and a hypocrisy fallacy at worst. Someone could just as easily talk about the many assaults from Antifa, "black power" groups, anti-Trump groups, and Clinton supporters, etc. Just becomes another "but what about black-on-black crime" shtick.
Again, for the millionth time, I attack both sides, because I believe there are good reasons to do so, even if one is "less worse" than the other. And my attack doesn't dwell on one side even if I might have more affinity to the other side. I have not and will not take the "lesser of two evils" stance. Bad is bad.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »so while some of their tactics are also troubling, saying it’s a problem is vastly different than implying that it’s a problem equal or even comparable to white supremacism. there is no moral equivalence at all
Who is saying this?? Are you saying I said this? If so, when did I say this? Once again, here is my simple point: I do not excuse any kind of "immorality," and I see immorality on both sides, regardless of whatever comparisons of such immorality.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »same can be said for this idea that think pieces on white privilege and the liberal media comparing trump to hilter are just as bad as right wing media outlets spreading racist and anti-semitic propaganda. no, its not the same
...Yes...Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »this idea that you are this reasonable person is kind of laughable
I have seen no indication anywhere that you have proven this. But again, I don't care what you think about me. I'm more interested in what you think about what I have said. The personal attacks and character assassinations are irrelevant, imo. -
Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »otherwise you seem to be of the position that the protesters and or the alt right and other factions are being unfairly blamed for inciting violence
Nonsense.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »think that is kinda ? . though i have yet to see any indication that counter protesters were the instigators, protesters chanting 'blood and soil' and doing ? salutes are going incite a strong emotional response... especially in an already volatile environment
1. Perhaps you need to get out more and diversify your news sources, some of which will clearly indicate that there were counter-protesters who instigated. At the very least, once again, just know that I'm not on either side that advocates wanton violence.
2. Of course, there were strong emotional responses, but that still does not justify violent instigation.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »and there is a such thing as dangerous speech... these factions are famous for referring to minorities as takers, leeches or and cancer. obviously dehumanizing ppl and likening them to unfavorable things that can cause you harm can make violence used against said ppl seem acceptable and even necessary
Of course (you're stating quite a lot of obvious points that we already agree on) there is a such thing as dangerous speech. We've already been over this. We seem to disagree on some of the specifics, though I'm not sure. I'll say my position once again: Some hate speech can be and should be protected under the law of the First Amendment. Bad, mean, and even some "evil" words are...words. Exceptions like speech to directly incite violence is under no protection. Speech and thoughts are not necessarily active force worthy of legal punishment. Generally speaking, violence is only acceptable if it is self-defense from active force.Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »then when the president of the country has repeatedly perpetuate this falsehoods that undocumented immigrants have committed more crimes than native born americans this further inflames tensions
.............Yes..............Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »that said, i think we can agree efforts to undermining dangerous speech still shouldn't infringe upon freedom of speech or involve violence
Yes!Madame_CJSkywalker wrote: »if any of what i said doesn't apply to you don't respond
Too late. Probably would've been better placed at the beginning rather than the end. Thanks though. Don't tell me what to do.
Why the ? do you type so much just for a simple reply. ? go get some ? and chill out -
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Arm yourself, we have more than a dog in this fight. -
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Why the ? do you type so much just for a simple reply.
I type so much because I like writing and I like being thorough. I get it though. You don't like words (and, apparently, women?), so just don't read them. Problem solved?
And I disagree about a simple reply. Lots of ? is being discussed. You should at least be able to follow my literally one-word replies.? go get some ? and chill out
Haha, what kind of dumb ? logic is this?
And ? you got 20,000+ posts. 5x as many posts as I do. And I joined this site a year after you. ??? ? , you IC famous. -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I
That Neo ? ? does make one good point about that flyweight Jared being with Ivanka.. How does a guy who likes he weighs 112 pounds get that... -
Why the ? do you type so much just for a simple reply.
I type so much because I like writing and I like being thorough. I get it though.You don't like words (and, apparently, women?), so just don't read them. Problem solved?
And I disagree about a simple reply. Lots of ? is being discussed. You should at least be able to follow my literally one-word replies.? go get some ? and chill out
Haha, what kind of dumb ? logic is this?
And ? you got 20,000+ posts. 5x as many posts as I do. And I joined this site a year after you. ??? ? , you IC famous.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-edJqahQqE
https://www.mediaite.com/online/cnn-segment-shows-eerie-similarities-between-trumps-rhetoric-and-white-supremacists/CNN Segment Shows Eerie Similarities Between Trump’s Rhetoric and White Supremacist’s
On Tuesday, CNN interviewed a white supremacist — or, as he prefers to call himself a “white advocate” — named Jared Taylor. The interview took place shortly after 2:00 p.m. ET, approximately two hours before President Donald Trump addressed the media at Trump Tower.
To be clear, the footage did not air on CNN prior to Trump’s press conference. So the President had no way to know what Taylor said before speaking with the media. This is not a case of plagiarism.
This is a case of President Donald Trump and a white supremacist making very similar comments.
Here is a quote from Taylor:
There would have been no violence whatsoever if there had not been counter protesters showing up with baseball bats and helmets and masks.
And here’s Trump, two hours later:
What about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do.
Taylor:
If those folks hadn’t showed up, there wouldn’t have been any violence. I believe thatthey are much more hate motivated than the people who wanted to gather and talk about preserving the Lee statue and preserving a white majority.
Trump:
But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue of Robert E. Lee.
Taylor:
When are we going to rename the capital city, Washington, D.C.? He was a slave owner. When are we going to write out of history the first seven of nine presidents who owned slaves? Are they all going to come down?
Trump:
George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down — excuse me. Are we going to take down — are we going to take statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py0dDYd4Xk8
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-ari-melber-mocks-tucker-carlson-for-ridiculous-observation-on-slavery/MSNBC’s Ari Melber Mocks Tucker Carlson for ‘Ridiculous Observation’ on Slavery
In his off-the-rails press conference in which he blamed “both sides” for the Charlottesville violence, President Donald Trump wanted to know when would the tearing down of Confederate monuments end, asking if George Washington was next. In the president’s mind, since both Washington and Thomas Jefferson were slaveholders, activists might begin demanding those monuments to be taken down soon.
While White House chief strategist Steve Bannon reportedly loved that line, it appears that Trump may not have come up with it on his own. During a segment on MSNBC’s The Beat today, host Ari Melber highlighted that the president could have been parroting what he’d heard on Fox News in recent days, playing a number of clips that sounded remarkably like what Trump said at his presser. (Media Matters has made the same observation.)
Melber then highlighted a particular segment from Fox News, this one featuring host Tucker Carlson making the argument that while slavery is evil, it has only recently been outlawed, and many great men and contributors to society owned slaves.
“Look at the right side of this Tucker Carlson screen,” Melber stated, showing a screen capture of Carlson’s segment. “Where he makes the ridiculous observation that Plato and the Aztecs owned slaves.”
After waiting a beat, he added, “You know what, that’s true. Plato also lived 2,300 years ago.”
Melber went on to say that the “clumsy attempt at amateur history” is nothing more than a “simple debate trick” to get the other side to defend something embarrassing when your position itself is embarrassing, such as defending Confederate monuments.
“But the violence in Charlottesville was not about Aztec slavery,” Melber concluded. “It was about neo-Nazis defending a white supremacist statue.” -
Undefeatable wrote: »Undefeatable wrote: »naledgestate wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »5th Letter wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »
and not to mention..
two of them dead ? were POLICE!!?!?
and ? in here mad!!? smmfh
I don't wish death on nobody but the cops death have not really been talked about. I felt sorry for the white broad getting killed though. I agree with you though on the so back and watch this play out. If some do called woke CAC won't to get ran over and beat up for the cause cool and a bunch of Naxi and KKK ? dying as well. I'm not going to be outraged over it.
I will feel for their families tho
that house ? had no business bein there..
his fault..
and i dont wish death on no one either but im numb to it..
not due to the media either.. iv been numb to death for years now..
but this is the type of ? i said would happen America is bein destroyed from within..
they have nothin left to feed on but themselves..
? aint about that life i dont care how tuff they talk on here orelse they wouldve been bucked.. the monster has to be fed tho.. and now its feedin on itself..
im good wit that..
let this ? destroy itself and we build from that..
its gonna get a whole lot worse.. but it has to in order for it to get better..
I can understand your reasoning for not thinking black people should be out there. But I'm not understanding the whole "house ? " ? . It's not like they were out there bootlicking. They were out there going to war with Nazis. Since when is battling racists house ? ? ?
okay.. sorry for the delay the GoT thread distracted me..
we had some new developments! hahahaha
but yeh..
all house ? wasnt necessarily "boot lickers" but they was still in the house..
sayin that to say a house ? has a certain mentality..
he believes for whatever reason in the system.. which is why u see ? in here upset Trump is destroyin it.. (they house) a house ? believes in protests.. a house ? believes that deep down his master gives a ? about him and can be reasoned with..
Martin Luther King was a house ? ..
Malcolm was a field ? ..
there is a difference..
u dont fight racism by protesting.. why are we even fightin racism!? ita gonna alwaya be here.. we always fightin for muthafuckas ro accept us when we ahould be empowering ourself so a muthafucka will respect us..
but nah.. lets march and beg for ? .. or be mad and scream at ? ..
this aint our fight.. only thing them ? is doin out there is gettin in the way of these white folks killin theyself.. they let us ? each other and go to jail for it they aint gotta fight us..
well look how the tables have turned..
But you seen what happened when he woke up?
what u mean?? them poppin his ass?? lol
Yup
yeh.. by that time the damage was done..
they got his ass up outta here quick fast before he could change the narrative..
then they told ? he'a the one we should be celebrating..
like seriously..
how the ? they go tell us who we should celebrate!?
EVERY black kid ESPECIALLY boy shouls read and know about Malcolm X.. i didnt really know KNOW until like 5yrs ago and thats a ? shame.. my kids will know about the real gangstas in black history.. not the ? who white folks was comfortable wit..
I know this doesnt relate, but people dont really realize how radical MLK was and how he believed that America needed a "radical redistribution of wealth and power. "
They made his legacy mainstream- the nice black guy who told us racism was bad. They have tried to purge a lot of his radical views that made the establishment uncomfortable like his views on capitalism and the church.
Kinda of reminds of the story where Jesus got ? off at the merchants selling stuff in front of the temple and started f**king ? up. You hardily hear about that when religion talks about Jesus. He came to ? ? up and to challenge the establishment but some how that got lost in this purge to make him more palatable like MLK.
I know about this well.. not much about the Church..
but that was another reason he had to get clapped for him communist ties and dialogue..
cause class is the real enemy.. not race..
and he started to target that and poor white folks started to listen.. and then he had to go..
Why do ppl listen to this idiot? The MFer doesn't know what the ? he is saying.
And this bolded here just makes it clearer. The real problem is not class, it is race.
Exhibit A: of the type of so called black person that we need to leave behind no matter which path we choose to get to the finish line.
This the type of person I could NEVER have around me.
And I don't want to be around a dumb ? WHO TO THIS DAY still says that he's not sure Hillary would have been better for blacks than Trump.
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I was going to type a serious response to this but these two memes sum up exactly what I was going to say
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@Plutarch
The sheer volume of "physical violence" attributed to white supremacy across centuries dwarfs anything that "Antifa" has wrought within orders of magnitude.
This says nothing of the emotional, psychological, and socioeconomic oppression and destruction; that the ideology of the white supremacy has inflicted for generations.
The two sects are NOT comparable.
Not empirically, with the scale of their violence.
Not morally, with the spirit of their messaging.
Being against fascism is not the same as advocating for the ethnic cleansing of those different from you.
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It's interesting that you only attribute a movement dangerous AFTER the expressed OUTCOME of said danger.
As if symbolism, momentum, and influence cannot exist as precursors to such outcomes.
The holocaust WASN'T the holocaust ... until it WAS.
Hateful ideologies that can mobilize the masses are inherently dangerous; especially those with as storied a history as White Supremacy.
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PILL_COSBY wrote: »
Remember all the ? going on back in the day? Why were they constantly sticking their ? in "abominations/animals/savages"?Like don't they know ? Germany was a socialist country, I thought these alt right neo ? ,kkk ? knuckle dragging neaderthals ? hated socialism.....must be two sides.
WHY do they listen to hip hop, R&B, Blues, and Rock?
WHY do they watch basketball?
WHY do they watch anime and read manga?
WHY do they eat mexican food?
WHY was ? ? wide spread and normal at one point to them. Then one day it was evil?
WHY was ? a jew?
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Lmao what a ?
...Bytch cracka...Ain't never been thru ? in life...I bet he cries when his raisin bran gets soggy... -
Lmao what a ?
This is why I laugh when anybody on the right refers to everybody else as a "snowflake" -
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stringer bell wrote: »http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-host-uncomfortable-talking-about-neo-nazis‘I Am So Uncomfortable Having This Conversation’: Fox Host On Neo-Nazis
Fox News host Melissa Francis on Wednesday said she was “uncomfortable” being questioned about her staunch defense of President Donald Trump’s remarks blaming “both sides” for violence that erupted at a white supremacist rally where participants changed ? slogans over the weekend in Charlottesville, Virginia.
“He never said equal blame,” Francis said on Fox News’ “Outnumbered.” “No one said equal, and that’s one of the places where this went off the rails.”
“He said there were ‘very good people’ among the neo-? protesters,” Fox News contributor Marie Harf replied. “He did — don’t roll your eyes! He did say those words, Melissa.”
“He didn’t say there were ‘very good people among neo-? protesters.’ He didn’t say that. Find that,” Francis shot back.
“He said there were very good people on the other side,” Harf said. “It was clear what he was talking about.”
“There were people that were opposed to the statues coming down. Look, can I tell you this? I am so uncomfortable having this conversation,” Francis said.
She became visibly emotional and appeared to fight back tears as she continued, “Because I know what’s in my heart, and I know that I don’t think anyone is different, better or worse, based on the color of their skin, but I feel like there is nothing any of us can say right now without being judged!”
“You know, Melissa, there’ve been a lot of tears on our network, and across the country, and around the world,” co-host Harris Faulkner said.
“It’s a difficult place where we are,” Faulkner continued. “This is not 1950. We can do this. We can have this conversation. Oh, yes, we can. And it’s okay if we cry having it.”
Rofl @ the white tears.. Führer Trump has put these Faux News fascists in a ? up position.. They don't know what to say or do anymore...
...Bytch has been "comfortable" for far too long...Its time to get uncomfortable now...Those tears were Glorious...
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ohio-robert-lee-monument-to-be-removedRobert E. Lee Monument In Ohio To Be Removed
After debates between township and city officials in a community near Cincinnati over which jurisdiction actually owned a Confederate monument for Robert E. Lee, city officials in Franklin, Ohio have decided to remove the monument.
“Recently, a monument ‘erected and dedicated by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and Friends’ marking the Dixie Highway has become the subject of a great deal of attention for our small community,” a Franklin city official said in a statement, referencing the recent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia that turned deadly. White nationalists and members of the alt-right showed up to protest the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue.
As one of four Confederate monuments in Ohio, the Robert E. Lee memorial was donated to the community by the United Daughters of the Confederacy and Friends in 1927 and is located near the city’s Right of Way for the Dixie Highway, Cincinnati.com reported.
While the memorial is the property of the township, the city has the right to move it if it causes a public safety hazard, which officials said they would do.
“Our crews will remove the monument and return their property to (the township’s) selected location forthwith,” the city said.
The Franklin Township relinquished its right to the memorial over to the city, but said it was important to remember the “history of our beloved country.”
“Whether events of the past may have been celebratory or unpleasant, it is important that we remember the culmination of all such events is what has transpired and shaped this great nation, including Franklin Township,” the township administrator Traci Stivers said in a statement.
The decision to remove the memorial — no new location had been determined as of Wednesday, Cincinnati.com reported — comes just as the President tweeted that it is sad to see the history and culture of our country being ripped apart.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAI_AiF-3hc
