If Kobe Gets his Sixth Ring?
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LOL @ Mike shooting .132, .167, .172, .182 & .189 behind the arc. ? ......132!!!
LOL @ Kobe being the youngest NBA Player to get 6 rings this June
LOL @ the GOAT retiring & his team losing two less games the next year. Pau Gasol wouldn't make it out the First round.
LOL @ Jordan being 0-6 without Scottie Pippen
LOL @ the GOAT taking 4 quarters & 2 overtimes to score 69 points while his :rolleyes: copy :rolleyes: did that ? in 3 quarters & ate a Honeybun for the rest of the game.
LOL @ Mike being bullied by Isiah Thomas & Joe Dumars for 3 years.
LOL @ the GOAT never dropping 81. ? team or not.
LOL @ Mike being the Lebron James of the 80s. By the time Mike made it to the Finals, all his "true" peers had AIDS & Osteoporosis. Like Bron..Kobe gonna be 36 before they meet up.
LOL @ age being a difference. NBA career goes by minutes logged & years played, not age. Otherwise T-Mac would still be playing.
LOL @ Jordan getting shut down by Gary Payton.
LOL @ Jordan playing Baseball.
LOL @ Kobe scoring 55 on Jordan
LOL @ Iverson crossing Jordan
LOL @ Kobe going straight to the league & Jordan being cut from his HS team
Lmao.....damn u did Tommy ? ....he is a dickrider but nobody deserves this lol...well maybe a lil -
One last tidbit...if Jordan averaged more points in every other Finals than the Seattle Finals....how is that not a shutdown? Gary Payton flustered Jordan to the point that the GOAT didn't produce up to his GOAT standards. Typical Jordan fans. Say the ? perfect in every way imaginable, then when we point out chinks in his armor....they say well.....atleast he better than that ? over there SMMFH. GOATS DONT GET NO EXCUSES
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ROFL he said Jordan was the Lebron of the 80's..... hahahaha
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Just leave it alone bruh....
Everybody knows Kobe on his way to his 3rd ring w/o Shaq this year. Kobe winning thse rings by himself, only a ? would compare Pau to Scottie Pippen. He the only ? that wanna dispute ? . Just let him. Far as he's concerned, it's 1997
no he isn't. as soon as gasol got traded to the lakers, the lakers have been to the nba finals every year.
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no he isn't. as soon as gasol got traded to the lakers, the lakers have been to the nba finals every year.
gasol was the missing piece.
Yea yea....but Pau aint no HOF player. Pau aint no Scotty Pippen. Pau aint no Kareem, Shaquille Oneal, Kevin McHale or none of that. That's what I mean when i say Kobe doing it by himself. Scotty was way more important to the Bulls than Pau is to Kobe. I watch them games, some of yall dont. Half of the playoffs, Pau's heart was in another city
Tommy quit quoting me. I dont like seeing my name next to yours. U notice I haven't spoke to you directly in a while. -
A lot of paternity tests are needed in this thread to much sonning.
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Yea yea....but Pau aint no HOF player. Pau aint no Scotty Pippen. Pau aint no Kareem, Shaquille Oneal, Kevin McHale or none of that. That's what I mean when i say Kobe doing it by himself. Scotty was way more important to the Bulls than Pau is to Kobe. I watch them games, some of yall dont. Half of the playoffs, Pau's heart was in another city
Tommy quit quoting me. I dont like seeing my name next to yours. U notice I haven't speak to you directly in a while.
no gasol is just important to the lakers too
after shaq-pre gasol, kobe no nba finals appearances and no rings
with gasol, kobe 3 nba finals appearances and 2 rings -
Kobe himself says he's not better than mike so why the hell ? arguing..
And i dont want to hear he's just being humble ? -
Kids.....this thread is proof that Numbers can lie like ? .....when you have an agenda. Tommy's the Fox News of NBA Basketball. Instead of posting the Finals Stats where Kobe WASN'T sharing shots with the Best Center to ever play in Modern Basketball, Tommy does like an ? . That's the equivalent of grading Lebron James during his time with Dwayne Wade.
This a more accurate assessment of Kobe Bryant in the Playoffs. When he was by himself.
2006 LAL 27.9 6.3 5.1 1.1 0.4 10.3 20.7 2.0 5.0
2007 LAL 32.8 5.2 4.4 1.0 0.4 12.0 26.0 2.0 5.6
2008 LAL 30.1 5.7 5.6 1.7 0.4 10.6 22.0 1.5 5.0
2009 LAL 30.2 5.3 5.5 1.7 0.9 10.5 23.0 1.6 4.6
2010 LAL 29.2 6.0 5.5 1.3 0.7 10.2 22.2 2.1 5.7 -
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no gasol is just important to the lakers too
after shaq-pre gasol, kobe no nba finals appearances and no rings
with gasol, kobe 3 nba finals appearances and 2 rings
Then we disagree....Gasol ? up far too much to be the missing piece. He's a great player. No more, no less. Kobe made him better....that's why he was so bitchmade in 2008 Finals....because it was okay being that way in Memphis. -
Then we disagree....Gasol ? up far too much to be the missing piece. He's a great player. No more, no less. Kobe made him better....that's why he was so bitchmade in 2008 Finals....because it was okay being that way in Memphis.
no gasol IS the missing piece.
thats why they got him
the lakers have been to the nba finals every year, since gasol been there. -
If you the only ? sayin you destroyed a thread....chances are you didnt destroy a thread
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Tommy bilfiger wrote: »This the same thing I did when you I read you flew to LA to meet an Ic chick and she stood you up and you went to a hotel and called your mom
Lol @ your life
If I flew to LA to "meet an IC chick" I knew had no intention of meeting with me any more wouldn't I have canceled the flight for which I had ? flight insurance? Oh wait... you don't even know the story.
But I heard you were a janitor. My life is ? on yours. -
Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Nah Kobe without shaq was 34-48 3rd Laker team In lakers history to miss the playoffs
Kobes record without shaq in playoffs 4-8
Kobes record before gasol 121-125 2 1st round Exits after gasol 239-84
Enjoy
Wow Bill you telling me that Kobe in what was considered the toughest western conference EVER, STILL has a better playoff record post Shaq than Jordan has without Pippen?
GOTDAMN BILL!!!Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Jordan lowest finals 27.3 is still better than kobes 3 lowest 26 in 02,22.6 in 04 and 15 in 00
You stay reachin and gettin sonned
So Jordans WOAT finals is still better than kobes and kobes best is 31 ppg I believe so basically WORST is 4 points lower than kobes BEST
Jordan didnt have to piggyback shaq he was the dominating factor unlike kobe
Kobe had shaq drawing doubles and still aint put up the numbers mike put DRAWING DOUBLES
Lmao its a wrap
Rofl @ a 6'2 PG locking up Jordan and you comparing that to getting locked up by 2 of the best defenses in the last 20 years (04 Pistons/Boston). What HOF stacked all time great defensive team did Jordan beat in the finals??? -
no gasol IS the missing piece.
thats why they got him
the lakers have been to the nba finals every year, since gasol been there.
Saying Gasol is HOF/the reason Kobe won is ? . He's just one of the pieces we needed. Just as much as we needed Ariza in 2009, Bynum in 2008, Fisher in Game 3 2010 & Artest in Game 7 2010. To put Pau on Pippen's level is just wrong because Pau wouldn't & couldn't lead the Lakers deep in the Playoffs w/o Kobe. Clear difference between Kobe/Shaq; Mike/Pippen...................and Kobe/Gasol. He's replaceable.
I dont agree....its cool, Im not Tommy dog....everybody allowed their opinions -
90' knicks team the bulls used to always beat>>>>> any team the lakers have faced
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Saying Gasol is HOF/the reason Kobe won is ? . He's just one of the pieces we needed. Just as much as we needed Ariza in 2009, Bynum in 2008, Fisher in Game 3 2010 & Artest in Game 7 2010. To put Pau on Pippen's level is just wrong because Pau wouldn't & couldn't lead the Lakers deep in the Playoffs w/o Kobe. Clear difference between Kobe/Shaq; Mike/Pippen...................and Kobe/Gasol. He's replaceable.
I dont agree....its cool, Im not Tommy dog....everybody allowed their opinions
no ?
just speaking the truth
again they didn't get to the finals till they got gasol -
Aint no Knicks team in history beating the 2000 or 2001 Lakers....its still an argument whether the 72-10 Bulls would win & ? talking about the Knicks.....Get real.
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Jordan would win if he was on this lakers team. even without kobe. and i'm talking Wizards Jordan
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Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Its a fact you flew to meet a chick off the net and got stood up
Its not a fact Im a janitor.I posted a pic of about 2-3 G's on a table and it had a mop in the background thats why they say im a janitor
Actually not a fact because 2 weeks prior to flying I knew I wasn't gonna meet shorty, so where is the factual evidence???? Put 2 and 2 together, if I had flight insurance and I could have cancelled my flight (yall need me to scan that or what??), if I had a receipt for a 4 star hotel a week before I was out there would that not suggest to you that maybe I only had to adjust my living arrangements while I was out there taking care of other business that I had been planning on far before I met shorty??? But wait... that doesn't make for a good enough story for the IC.
But wait we're talking to bilfiger who loves manipulating stats or whatever he can and is afraid of the truth.. Doesn't understand context and if something doesn't support his argument he completely flips it.
The fact is Ike had you shook and ? b. Audio evidence. -
no ?
just speaking the truth
Nope....
There was a question that was brought up by Harrison Moore in his article titled "NBA Finals 2010: Would a Second Title Catapult Pau Gasol Into the Hall of Fame?"
The answer at this point is a clear and definitive no! Even with the two rings, Gasol's name doesn't belong with the greatest power forwards of all-time. His numbers aren't even close.
So far in his career, Gasol has averaged 18.8 points, 9 rebounds, 3.2 assists, .5 steals, 1.7 blocks, on 52.1 percent shooting, and 74.3 percent from the free throw line.
Those numbers are very good career wise. The Hall of Fame, though, isn't for the very good; it's for the best of the best. Does Gasol even come close to being mentioned among the best power forwards ever or even among the best players ever in NBA history?
The issue though is that Gasol has only once in his career been considered amongst the best power forwards in the NBA until his ninth season. It took him nine seasons to average a double double, and only twice in his career has Gasol ever averaged over 20 points per game.He's also only won the Rookie of the Year Award. He's only been in the top 10 in rebounding once.
In the playoffs his numbers are similar to this regular season. He averages 18.5 points, 9.7 rebounds, and 3.2 assists.
Another issue that haunts Gasol is that he's always been seen as soft. When teams play Gasol physically, he has a hard time with it. He's also going to be remembered for allowing Leon Powe to abuse him for 21 points in just over 14.5 minutes.
It also happened again where Gasol didn't really bother showing up in the Finals for a game, this time being outplayed by Glen "Big Baby" Davis.
Yes, Gasol played extremely well against the Orlando Magic when Gasol earned his first championship ring. Dwight Howard isn't necessarily known for being a dominating post presence either.
Also, in Moore's article he talks about Dennis Rodman not being in the Hall of Fame. This also hinders his argument because is Gasol even anywhere near the defensive player that Rodman was? What about rebounding wise?
So, if Rodman isn't in then how can Gasol be in? The only aspect of Gasol's game that is better than Rodman's is offense. Rodman, though, never really cared to score points or back a defender down; he just went out and rebounded the ball, played defense, and tried to get under his opponent's skin.
If Gasol is looking for a Hall of Fame career, he will need to score over 20,000 points and grab over 10,000 rebounds. Right now Gasol is at 12,192 points and 5,821 rebounds.
As Gasol hits thirty year of age, it will be interesting if he can continue to put up numbers or if he gradually slows down, because it seems at the age of thirty, power forwards tend to start slowing down.
Otis Thorpe was a very good power forward throughout his career. He won a ring with the Houston Rockets as well, playing alongside Hakeem Olajuwon.
For his career, he averaged 14 points and 8.2 rebounds. He scored 17,600 points and grabbed 10,370 rebounds. He had some very good seasons before he hit thirty years of age. Thorpe's not in the Hall of Fame.
Buck Williams was another very good power forward and another good example of a power forward that slowed down after the age of 30. His career numbers are 12.8 points and 10 rebounds. Williams is not in the Hall of Fame.
As for the argument about the scoring numbers of both Thorpe and Williams, Williams played until he was 37 and Thorpe until he was 38. Both players played a good three to four years past when they were actually effective.
For Thorpe, he averaged eight or more rebounds ten times and half of those were over 10 rebounds per game. With Williams, he averaged eight or more rebounds 14 times, including in those 14 seasons over 10 eight times. Gasol on the other hand has only averaged more than 10 once in his career.
Chris Webber has a better chance of being a Hall of Famer than Gasol, even though Webber does not have a ring. Career-wise, Webber averaged 20.7 points, 9.8 rebounds, and 4.2 assists.
Webber averaged over eight rebounds 12 times including half of those years averaging over 10 rebounds. Five times Webber was among the top 10 in rebounds per game, including leading the league once with an average of 13 per game. Gasol has never been among the league leaders in rebounds per game.
There are other players who also can put up big numbers, like Amare Stoudemire who's only 27. He's had some injury issues for his career but he also isn't Hall of Fame worthy because, for a player who has so much athleticism, he doesn't rebound enough and he's right at 8.9 rebounds per game for his career. Plus, he scores more than Gasol.
Dirk Nowitzki getting in the Hall of Fame is beyond me. Although, according to Basketball-Reference.com he has a 91.2, I can see why he would be in. Even though he doesn't rebound enough for a power forward at 8.5 per game. He's an exceptional scorer.
Even though the Dallas Mavericks have only been to the Finals once with Nowitzki, he improves his play whereas Gasol's numbers pretty much stay nearly identical to his regular season stats. In the playoffs, Nowitzki averages 25.6 points, 10.9 rebounds, and 2.6 assists.
Gasol, if he does win another ring, greatly helps his case for the Hall of Fame. It doesn't make him anywhere near a lock by any stretch of the imagination though; he still has a ways to go to get to 20,000 points and 10,000 rebounds. -
rofl Pau never made it out the 1st round without Kobe and Pau is soft as ? and trash smfh @ comparing him to a HOF top 50 player all time
Pau without Kobe = never made it out the 1st round
Pippen without Jordan = 55 wins (2 less than with jordan the year before) and 1 blown call away from the ECF
lol Pau was doing 18pts and 8rbs before Kobe
Pippen averaged 22pts 49% FG 8.7 reb 5.6 ast
Horace Grant averaged 15.1pts 52%FG 11 reb 3.4 ast without Jordan that year
Defense wins championships right?
Pau Gasol - 0 times
Scottie Pippen - 10 time all-nba defensive team
Dennis Rodman - 8 time all-nba defensive team/ 7 times rebounding title/All NBA, All defense 1st team, 2X DPOY
Horace Grant - 3 time all-nba defensive team
Lamar Odom , Luke Walton, Derek Fisher, etc = 0 times!!!
3 All-Stars (Pippen, Rodman, Grant)
-2 of the games best defenders (Pippen and Rodman)
-1 of the 50 greatest players of all-time (Pippen)
-2 The games best 3 point shooters (Kerr and Kukoc)
Can you name another Hall Of Famer to win rings without another Hall Of Famer?
Kobe's done it twice as the only HOF
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Tommy bilfiger wrote: »If the west is so tough then why have the same 2 teams make it to the finals for the last 12 years?
Only dallas in 06 has made it out the west since 99
Dont sound That tough if the same 2 teams make it for a decade straight
Yet the east had 8 different teams make it to the finals in that same span
To much espn watching for you groupies
Because those 2 teams are so raw and well coached. If you put the Mavs, Suns, etc.. in the east they would have way more finals appearances. Why was Detroit in the ECF for like 7 years straight????? -
Tommy bilfiger wrote: »If the west is so tough then why have the same 2 teams make it to the finals for the last 12 years?
Only dallas in 06 has made it out the west since 99
Dont sound That tough if the same 2 teams make it for a decade straight
Yet the east had 8 different teams make it to the finals in that same span
To much espn watching for you groupies
So basically you just said Jordan & The Bulls played in a Weak Ass conference in the 90s then?
