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Secular marriage can exist without either of the participants believing in "spirituality," sorry, you are still wrong.
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You can't compare love and '? '. Love is a feeling/emotion. '? ' is a made up figment of one's imagination.
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I ask this question because I've seen a few posts on here from supposed Atheists that don't fall in line with the true definition of Atheism. It is the DISbelief in supernatural existence. Period. There is a thin line between a gnostic and an atheist. The average theist would say that atheism dates back to biblical times.
The problem with early (and contemporary) )interpretations of athiesm is that people consider any religious or spiritual idealogy different from one's own is a form of atheism because it denies a person's ? . For example, a scientologist might call a Christian an atheist because the Christian denies the existence of the scientologist's ? (s). -
It is a common misspelling of the word "Atheism"; which refers to a lack in belief of the existence of any deities.
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The only difference between a Atheist and a Christian/Muslim/Jew/etc. is that the Atheist believes in one fewer ? .
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Atheism: the rejection of the notion that a ? (s) exist.
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BiblicalAtheist wrote: »Atheism: the rejection of the notion that a ? (s) exist.
What would you call someone who has no opinion on the subject of supernatural existence? -
SoulRattler of Venom wrote: »What would you call someone who has no opinion on the subject of supernatural existence?
Apatheism? -
mephistopheles wrote: »
Thank you. I think this most accurately describes where I am as of now. -
SoulRattler of Venom wrote: »What would you call someone who has no opinion on the subject of supernatural existence?
An uninformed person. -
you may never know. We are a society that puts to much emphasis on labels and thats where we go wrong. A banker isnt just a banker, but this is what we do.
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blakfyahking wrote: »Edit: Atheists
How many of ya'll believe love really exists but find it hard to believe ? or any other higher spiritual being could exist?
Throwing the outlandish stories in the Bible out of context, who's to say ? couldn't be real if you have the ability to feel real love? How is it possible to not feel the same way about faith?
Everything is subjective through the human mind. We live our entire existence out of the confines of our mind. So to say "ability to feel real love" is irrelevant. No one can define what "real" love is outside of their perceptions, descriptions, definitions etc. And some people do perceive to feel the same way about faith. -
Because you guys have some awareness of the scriptures. While you may not believe in ? , you have heard bits and pieces of His word. Many of you are familiar with the book of Revelation. And if these days in which we live in are truly the end all be all, many of you may be alive when the rapture occurs. When the rapture occurs, the greatest revival in the history of humanity will take place. Million upon millions of people will receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior during the great tribulation. I believe many of those that receive Him will be those people who may not have believed in ? , because there was no visible proof. But when the rapture occurs and the Anti-Christ is revealed, many atheists will finally realize that ? does rule in heaven and Jesus Christ is returning. The book of Revelation speaks of an innumerable company of people who will be slain for the witness of Jesus Christ during the last 7 years of this age. Here is the excerpt.
Revelation 7:9-17
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our ? which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped ? , 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our ? for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of ? , and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and ? shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
So I know that these discussions are profitable for all of us. Atheists are gaining knowledge about the true and living ? , so that when all these things do take place, many people will finally realize the truth. Praise be to ? !
"For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isaiah 55:10-11
On another note though, many people will still be deceived when the Anti-Christ is revealed. Many of those who will be deceived will be deceived because they love their life more than ? . While there may be many people who would rather take the mark of the beast and live temporarily, there will still be many others who will refuse it because they want to live forever! Hallelujah! -
But I would like to add that it's not a very good idea to play with ? . ? says today is the day of Salvation. While the last days will see the greatest revival in the history of mankind, it will also be the most terrible time in the history of mankind. The carnage, destruction, devastation, and death toll will be incomprehensible. The great tribulation is a time when the devil and his army of demons will be hurled down to the earth because they will be forever kicked out of heaven. Because of this the devil will have such wrath that he will seek to destroy every man, women, and child on the planet. Especially those who refuse to take his mark. The pressure cooker of the great tribulation will make it 1000000x more hard to come to Christ than it is now. Today we have freedom. At that time it will be a decision of life and death. Many people will not be able to withstand the pressures of that time period. Civilization will break down, food will be scarce, survival will be all that matters. And if you have a family to feed and your choice is to either accept the mark to feed them or trust ? , many people will succumb to the mark because they will have no idea what faith is all about.
? says, today if ye will hear His voice and harden not your heart! Today is the day of your salvation my friends. Don't wait till it's too late. -
Imgoingtoheaven if ? is so powerful why would he need to have a war in the first place? If he was truely all powerful there would be no devil, war, or army.
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oliverlang wrote: »Imgoingtoheaven if ? is so powerful why would he need to have a war in the first place? If he was truely all powerful there would be no devil, war, or army.
It's called freedom my brother. ? created angels and humans with the ability to choose to serve Him or not. Without choice, how can ? demonstrate His power? Choice brings awareness. Without choice you have automatic robots who bow down like machines.
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Well, given "? 's" track record and commands that is what he wants - mindless robots to worship him. Your ? sounds like an ego maniac...there are other ways to display "power" without murder, destruction, trickery, and painful diseases.
And even when he decided it was time for war...there wouldn't have to be a war...he could just snap his godly fingers and that would be that...he wouldn't HAVE to go to war with the devil. In fact, the existence of a devil proves the nonexistence of an all powerful ? . -
oliverlang wrote: »Well, given "? 's" track record and commands that is what he wants - mindless robots to worship him. Your ? sounds like an ego maniac...there are other ways to display "power" without murder, destruction, trickery, and painful diseases.
Humans commit murder, destruction, trickery, and cause painful diseases.
? laid down laws and said if you do this, this will happen.
If you tell your child not to touch the stove because you will get burned, will it be your fault when your child touches the stove and burns their hand? Of course not. -
oliverlang wrote: »Well, given "? 's" track record and commands that is what he wants - mindless robots to worship him. Your ? sounds like an ego maniac...there are other ways to display "power" without murder, destruction, trickery, and painful diseases.
And even when he decided it was time for war...there wouldn't have to be a war...he could just snap his godly fingers and that would be that...he wouldn't HAVE to go to war with the devil. In fact, the existence of a devil proves the nonexistence of an all powerful ? .
The 2nd coming will prove how quickly the devil, his demons, and all the wicked are dismantled and put down. It won't even be a fight. It will be the most lop-sided war ever fought. The only weapons ? will use is the word of His mouth and His brightness. The wicked will be consumed instantly. -
Well thank you, I apprec.... Hey!
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The concept of the rapture, in connection with premillennialism, was expressed by the American Puritan father and son Increase and Cotton Mather. They held to the idea that believers would be caught up in the air, followed by judgments on the earth and then the millennium.[12][13] The term rapture was used by Philip Doddridge (1738) and John Gill (1748) in their New Testament commentaries, with the idea that believers would be caught up prior to judgment on the earth and Jesus' Second Coming. The concept of a pre-tribulation rapture was articulated by Baptist Morgan Edwards in an essay published in 1788 in Philadelphia.[14]
John Nelson Darby, considered the father of dispensationalism, first proposed the pre-tribulation rapture in 1827.[15]. This view was accepted among many other Plymouth Brethren in England. Darby and other prominent Brethren were part of the Brethren Movement which impacted American Christianity, primarily through their writings. Influences included the Bible Conference Movement, starting in 1878 with the Niagara Bible Conference. These conferences, which were initially inclusive of historicist and futurist premillennialism, led to an increasing acceptance of futurist premillennial views and the pre-tribulation rapture especially among Presbyterian, Baptist and Congregational members [16]. Popular books also contributed to acceptance of the pre-tribulation rapture, including William Eugene Blackstone's book Jesus is Coming published in 1878 and which sold more than 1.3 million copies, and the Scofield Reference Bible, published in 1909 and 1919 and revised in 1967.
The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox churches, the Anglican Communion, as well as most Protestant Calvinist denominations have no tradition of a preliminary return of Christ and reject the doctrine, in part because they cannot find any reference to it among any of the early Church fathers and find its biblical foundation weak, and because of their rejection of 19th-century concept of dispensationalism.[17]. Some also reject it because they interpret prophetic scriptures in either an amillennial or postmillennial fashion.
All the centuries Christianity is around and wasn't nobody talkin about no rapture until the 1700s.....WTF?
Also, think about this: What's the POINT of this "Rapture"? To spare the believers from mortal suffering? Where in the Bible are believers spared from mortal suffering? Moses suffered. ALL the prophets suffered. Jesus suffered. The disciples suffered. So the "Rapture" sounds to me like feel good, easy-way-out, Fast Food Christian doctrine. You gon have to sit through the Tribulation like evvvvvvvvverybody else, ? . No "Get out of Armageddon free" cards. -
Swiffness! wrote: »The concept of the rapture, in connection with premillennialism, was expressed by the American Puritan father and son Increase and Cotton Mather. They held to the idea that believers would be caught up in the air, followed by judgments on the earth and then the millennium.[12][13] The term rapture was used by Philip Doddridge (1738) and John Gill (1748) in their New Testament commentaries, with the idea that believers would be caught up prior to judgment on the earth and Jesus' Second Coming. The concept of a pre-tribulation rapture was articulated by Baptist Morgan Edwards in an essay published in 1788 in Philadelphia.[14]
John Nelson Darby, considered the father of dispensationalism, first proposed the pre-tribulation rapture in 1827.[15]. This view was accepted among many other Plymouth Brethren in England. Darby and other prominent Brethren were part of the Brethren Movement which impacted American Christianity, primarily through their writings. Influences included the Bible Conference Movement, starting in 1878 with the Niagara Bible Conference. These conferences, which were initially inclusive of historicist and futurist premillennialism, led to an increasing acceptance of futurist premillennial views and the pre-tribulation rapture especially among Presbyterian, Baptist and Congregational members [16]. Popular books also contributed to acceptance of the pre-tribulation rapture, including William Eugene Blackstone's book Jesus is Coming published in 1878 and which sold more than 1.3 million copies, and the Scofield Reference Bible, published in 1909 and 1919 and revised in 1967.
The Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox churches, the Anglican Communion, as well as most Protestant Calvinist denominations have no tradition of a preliminary return of Christ and reject the doctrine, in part because they cannot find any reference to it among any of the early Church fathers and find its biblical foundation weak, and because of their rejection of 19th-century concept of dispensationalism.[17]. Some also reject it because they interpret prophetic scriptures in either an amillennial or postmillennial fashion.
All the centuries Christianity is around and wasn't nobody talkin about no rapture until the 1700s.....WTF?
Also, think about this: What's the POINT of this "Rapture"? To spare the believers from mortal suffering? Where in the Bible are believers spared from mortal suffering? Moses suffered. ALL the prophets suffered. Jesus suffered. The disciples suffered. So the "Rapture" sounds to me like feel good, easy-way-out, Fast Food Christian doctrine. You gon have to sit through the Tribulation like evvvvvvvvverybody else, ? . No "Get out of Armageddon free" cards.
The rapture has been in the forefront of believers minds since the 1st century A.D. 1 Thessalonians was written to comfort those who were eagerly awaiting the return of the Lord.
Also the rapture is spoken of through out the OT and the NT. If you had the Holy Spirit, He would teach you these things, but because you don't it sounds foolish to you; which is expected. -
DoUwant2go2Heaven? wrote: »Humans commit murder, destruction, trickery, and cause painful diseases.
? laid down laws and said if you do this, this will happen.
If you tell your child not to touch the stove because you will get burned, will it be your fault when your child touches the stove and burns their hand? Of course not.
yes, it would, you are the parent and should bear the responsibility of looking after your child. Also try telling that to Child Protection Services and see how well that would work out. -
Threadstarter, don't you find it the least bit presumptuous and condesending to assume that you're going to go to Heaven while other people go to Hell and/or suffer?
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Hyde Parke wrote: »yes, it would, you are the parent and should bear the responsibility of looking after your child. Also try telling that to Child Protection Services and see how well that would work out.
Wow, so I guess your mom still changes your diaper too?
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