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Astronaut_King wrote: »No answer hunh....me neither. Something created this. It's dumb to think that everything came from nothing or a big bang....with nothing to create, or produce a bang.
"nothing can't be something! Nothing cannot come from nothing, it makes no sense; brains, hearts, water, minerals all come from nothing? It can't be. It takes something intelligent to create something, like how we're intelligent and create machines which create many things. So therefore, ? has to exist!"
"oh so what created ? ?"
"oh nothing, nothing applies to ? , ? is just ? and just exists because it can"
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Astronaut_King wrote: »Yes I can prove that something can't come from nothing...I will you to have a million bucks....nothing....thought so.
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The "Big Bang" theory doesn't describe something coming from nothing, and classical mechanics doesn't scale perfectly down to the quantum level b.Astronaut_King wrote: »Yes I can prove that something can't come from nothing...I will you to have a million bucks....nothing....thought so.
Plus E=mC² already relates energy to mass; ? around with it a little bit by accounting for momentum, and you get E²=p²c²+m²c⁴. From this, one can postulate that a sea with infinite negatively-charged particles exists within a "vacuum".
So it's not truly "nothing". Similar to electron-hole pair creation and annihilation within a material.
Pic not really, but kind of related:
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Do people believe in ? because they believe in him or because other people believe in him?
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s_a_m_r_i_o wrote: »Do people believe in ? because they believe in him or because other people believe in him?
They fear hell, which is why they believe. They'll all tell you, "what if there's a chance hell exists? Then what? You don't want to go to hell, do you?"
It always has and always will come down to the afterlife aspect and nothing else, that's why they believe.
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They don't have to "create themselves" bruh. ? are simply postulating that an infinite number of them can exist within a "vacuum". There's no net gain if you have pairs of particles with opposite signs and equal magnitude popping in and out of existence, so nothing is truly "created". ? , semiconductors develop electrons in the conduction band in a similar manner, without violating the law of conservation of energy all the time.Astronaut_King wrote: »Particles and protein don't create themselves.
And it's already known that nuclear fusion within stars produces the heavier atoms that make up things like proteins; word to E=mC² again. -
What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - Christopher Hitchens
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Astronaut_King wrote: »How? You argue there is no ? , no devine force but you can't explain the ass backwards way that humans are supposed to evolve. Ok. Say we did come from apes, then we evolved into smarter apes that hunted and relied on a society, then we evolved into humans that came up with different forms of ? that separates us from each other turning our back on society as a whole and putting ourselves and our beliefs ahead of others who don't believe causing a rift. Now this rift does not further only the strong survives evolution map. Then we create technology that makes us obsolete and could quite possibly ? us one day. Evolution at its finest. Now if I am wrong please tell me what the next evolutionary stage is for humans...
Man can't even prove there isn't a ? , I always tell people, if they don't believe then tell me where your sense of morality comes from, your dreams when you sleep, your feelings. Why do you know at very young ages the difference between right or wrong ? How do we know that pain is bad and pleasure good ? Why isn't it the other way around ? Why do you have feelings and why do feelings exist ? Why is it that we can close our eyes and have thoughts ? I think it's incredibly naive to believe that there isn't some kind of force or energy whether you call it ? or w/e that is of a higher power that is somehow related to the manifestation of human beings. Notice how with science when you bring up those questions that's the one thing it can never seem to answer.
Science is just theory, and theory is just something somebody came up with to best try and explain something, it's not final and it isn't always RIGHT. We're not even sure how to heal many of the world's diseases or even travel outside of Earth into space but all of a sudden science is this source to tell us that there is "no" ? or that we might have origins traced to water ? FOH I'm not buying it LOLOL. I think man has too much hubris.
evolution, we were able to drastically differentiate ourselves throughout evolution.
Animals show some morality as well... (besides us) -
Astronaut_King wrote: »How? You argue there is no ? , no devine force but you can't explain the ass backwards way that humans are supposed to evolve. Ok. Say we did come from apes, then we evolved into smarter apes that hunted and relied on a society, then we evolved into humans that came up with different forms of ? that separates us from each other turning our back on society as a whole and putting ourselves and our beliefs ahead of others who don't believe causing a rift. Now this rift does not further only the strong survives evolution map. Then we create technology that makes us obsolete and could quite possibly ? us one day. Evolution at its finest. Now if I am wrong please tell me what the next evolutionary stage is for humans...
Man can't even prove there isn't a ? , I always tell people, if they don't believe then tell me where your sense of morality comes from, your dreams when you sleep, your feelings. Why do you know at very young ages the difference between right or wrong ? How do we know that pain is bad and pleasure good ? Why isn't it the other way around ? Why do you have feelings and why do feelings exist ? Why is it that we can close our eyes and have thoughts ? I think it's incredibly naive to believe that there isn't some kind of force or energy whether you call it ? or w/e that is of a higher power that is somehow related to the manifestation of human beings. Notice how with science when you bring up those questions that's the one thing it can never seem to answer.
Science is just theory, and theory is just something somebody came up with to best try and explain something, it's not final and it isn't always RIGHT. We're not even sure how to heal many of the world's diseases or even travel outside of Earth into space but all of a sudden science is this source to tell us that there is "no" ? or that we might have origins traced to water ? FOH I'm not buying it LOLOL. I think man has too much hubris.
You're so ignorant.
I'm just sayin my piece fam, those are my beliefs. Religion vs. Science is a touchy subject. But I'm sure we can agree to disagree.
But where are the evidence to these claims you bring up? Why can't you say 'I don't know', we don't know everything? Let me ask you something. Why did it take ? billions and billions of years to create us? Why are we horribly designed?
How do you reallllly know the Earth is billions of years old other than being told or reading it in some article/book?
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Astronaut_King wrote: »How? You argue there is no ? , no devine force but you can't explain the ass backwards way that humans are supposed to evolve. Ok. Say we did come from apes, then we evolved into smarter apes that hunted and relied on a society, then we evolved into humans that came up with different forms of ? that separates us from each other turning our back on society as a whole and putting ourselves and our beliefs ahead of others who don't believe causing a rift. Now this rift does not further only the strong survives evolution map. Then we create technology that makes us obsolete and could quite possibly ? us one day. Evolution at its finest. Now if I am wrong please tell me what the next evolutionary stage is for humans...
Man can't even prove there isn't a ? , I always tell people, if they don't believe then tell me where your sense of morality comes from, your dreams when you sleep, your feelings. Why do you know at very young ages the difference between right or wrong ? How do we know that pain is bad and pleasure good ? Why isn't it the other way around ? Why do you have feelings and why do feelings exist ? Why is it that we can close our eyes and have thoughts ? I think it's incredibly naive to believe that there isn't some kind of force or energy whether you call it ? or w/e that is of a higher power that is somehow related to the manifestation of human beings. Notice how with science when you bring up those questions that's the one thing it can never seem to answer.
Science is just theory, and theory is just something somebody came up with to best try and explain something, it's not final and it isn't always RIGHT. We're not even sure how to heal many of the world's diseases or even travel outside of Earth into space but all of a sudden science is this source to tell us that there is "no" ? or that we might have origins traced to water ? FOH I'm not buying it LOLOL. I think man has too much hubris.
You're so ignorant.
I'm just sayin my piece fam, those are my beliefs. Religion vs. Science is a touchy subject. But I'm sure we can agree to disagree.
But where are the evidence to these claims you bring up? Why can't you say 'I don't know', we don't know everything? Let me ask you something. Why did it take ? billions and billions of years to create us? Why are we horribly designed?
How do you reallllly know the Earth is billions of years old other than being told or reading it in some article/book?
How do you know with 100% undeniable, inarguable proof and evidence?
Carbon dating, of course. Geology doesn't lie, bruh. If Scientist knew it was lie they would say it is. That's like asking how do you know that George Washington ever existed. Stop it, B.
"If scientists knew it was a lie they would say it was"
Proving my point. YOU don't really know the intricate details of radiocarbon dating. If YOU did you'd know that carbon dating isn't what's used to determine the age of the Earth. You just go along with it because you think some guys smarter than you said that's how you measure it. Or it's because you read it in a book in science class. You rely on "scientists" and take them for their word.
People estimate the age of the Earth is anywhere from 4.5-6 billion years old because thats the age of the oldest minerals/rocks found SO FAR. All it takes is to find some older material to disprove that. But the bottom line is ? DONT KNOW.
All 'scientists' used to believe the world was flat.
All 'scientists' used to believe in geocentrism.
Science isn't absolute. And when Sion said
"Science is just theory, and theory is just something somebody came up with to best try and explain something, it's not final and it isn't always RIGHT."
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This isn't Pokemon... ?damobb2deep wrote: »if we evolve why are we not stronger then most apes? -
Astronaut_King wrote: »My ? @Chemix giving you bums the business. Lmao. Let's talk logic. Is it more logical for everything we know to have come from nothing? Cold, heat, warm, neutral, orgasms, ps3, dogs, cats, fish, jadakiss, nas, love, hate, admiration etc. Essentially everything that we as humans know came from absolutely nothing. Is it logical to say everything came from nothing? ? the word nothing didn't come to existence till we created and gave definition to it. Yet some claim that the most perfect creation evolved to that point? Ok. Let's look at human history. Since we could write record and tell stories what has evolve in humans. Don't say the mind because I can teach a dog to count to ten in 2 months. The difference between past humans and present humans is the abundance of knowledge that we have acquired not what our brains evolved to know. Technology has evolved...because of us. My psone didn't evolve to a ps3 on its own. We areevolving technology that makes humans obsolete and expendable. How is that evolution? We create machines to save our lives but have not evolved to the point where we don't need those machines. We learn in college yet we create machines that surpass us intellectually...for what? If this is evolution the ? is ASS BACKWARDS!!!!! Evolution is supposed to further a species for survival. Humans make ? that can destroy us and keep it in a freezer. What evolutionary reasoning can that have? I believe in the supreme being, the almighty, the creator, ? . Mainly because its more logical than the ? some people can come up with.
Your a dumb ? something had to come from nothing regardless of if theres a ? or not... Who created ? how did he come into exisistence.... See I can do the same thing. To sum everything up by saying one being "? " did iy is stupidity in itself. Its like saying Noah built a big ass boat all by himself and put 2 of every animal even battling with ? lions and Panthers and put them on his boat. -
Astronaut_King wrote: »I personally believe because I don't believe that we are here by chance. Infinite amounts of space and time and here we are.
And because you cannot come up with a better answer than to say that the invisible sky daddy did it. Tell me this, if ? was real why didn't he make the planets just like earth or better? Sounds like a stupid ? to me.
lol 4 a bunch of " smart ? " yall sho stupid... ? mabe da ? aint want 2.. -
Its funny how you say the world would be in chaos without ? yet the people in your sig where living in chaos believeing in ? .damobb2deep wrote: »
lol 4 a bunch of " smart ? " yall sho stupid... ? mabe da ? aint want 2..Astronaut_King wrote: »I personally believe because I don't believe that we are here by chance. Infinite amounts of space and time and here we are.
And because you cannot come up with a better answer than to say that the invisible sky daddy did it. Tell me this, if ? was real why didn't he make the planets just like earth or better? Sounds like a stupid ? to me.
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BlackxChild wrote: »
Its funny how you say the world would be in chaos without ? yet the people in your sig where living in chaos believeing in ? .damobb2deep wrote: »
lol 4 a bunch of " smart ? " yall sho stupid... ? mabe da ? aint want 2..Astronaut_King wrote: »I personally believe because I don't believe that we are here by chance. Infinite amounts of space and time and here we are.
And because you cannot come up with a better answer than to say that the invisible sky daddy did it. Tell me this, if ? was real why didn't he make the planets just like earth or better? Sounds like a stupid ? to me.
its funny cuz da fact that they kno what they doin is wrong... they will jus deal with the consequences when they die... but on the other hand let ? " not exist" that will make it that much easyer 2 ? , ? , steal ect... lots of people dont give a ? bout life as is so...
also if there is no ? the whole " whats right whats wrong" line will still exist but not matter... so ? will again start chaos jus cuz...
me personally i would jus wake up one day and shoot a few ? " jus cuz i felt like it dat day" go steal some food cuz i was hungry and rob a store cuz i dont feel like spending money... and if i die dat day " oh well" *kanye shrug*
so imagin millions of people doin jus that that wont be chaos? -
damobb2deep wrote: »BlackxChild wrote: »
Its funny how you say the world would be in chaos without ? yet the people in your sig where living in chaos believeing in ? .damobb2deep wrote: »
lol 4 a bunch of " smart ? " yall sho stupid... ? mabe da ? aint want 2..Astronaut_King wrote: »I personally believe because I don't believe that we are here by chance. Infinite amounts of space and time and here we are.
And because you cannot come up with a better answer than to say that the invisible sky daddy did it. Tell me this, if ? was real why didn't he make the planets just like earth or better? Sounds like a stupid ? to me.
its funny cuz da fact that they kno what they doin is wrong... they will jus deal with the consequences when they die... but on the other hand let ? " not exist" that will make it that much easyer 2 ? , ? , steal ect... lots of people dont give a ? bout life as is so...
also if there is no ? the whole " whats right whats wrong" line will still exist but not matter... so ? will again start chaos jus cuz...
me personally i would jus wake up one day and shoot a few ? " jus cuz i felt like it dat day" go steal some food cuz i was hungry and rob a store cuz i dont feel like spending money... and if i die dat day " oh well" *kanye shrug*
so imagin millions of people doin jus that that wont be chaos?
Most people that ? , steal, ? , start warsetc are religous. -
Damn mobb, you're really that stupid to believe that, "if ? didn't exist, we'd all be running around immoral as ? ", smh lol and wtf
But hey, at least you're running with "we'd still exist without ? ". -
damobb2deep wrote: »Astronaut_King wrote: »I personally believe because I don't believe that we are here by chance. Infinite amounts of space and time and here we are.
And because you cannot come up with a better answer than to say that the invisible sky daddy did it. Tell me this, if ? was real why didn't he make the planets just like earth or better? Sounds like a stupid ? to me.
lol 4 a bunch of " smart ? " yall sho stupid... ? mabe da ? aint want 2..
Yea, I really do. I never claim to be the 'smart'. I just observe and critically think and search for the truth unlike you ? who want to use false dichotomy and argument from ignorance and any other logical fallacies to discredit science.
the same way u try and discredit there aint a ? ?
but anyway again imo science and religion is supposta go hand in hand because the more we find out the more cant be explained...
like i said before science came from religion... it funny that somthing so "smart" cant answer simple questions.. it has helped us i admit but people want it 2 be a " religion vs. science" thing when it aint got 2.... cuz in the real world religion is gonna win every time -
damobb2deep wrote: »Astronaut_King wrote: »I personally believe because I don't believe that we are here by chance. Infinite amounts of space and time and here we are.
And because you cannot come up with a better answer than to say that the invisible sky daddy did it. Tell me this, if ? was real why didn't he make the planets just like earth or better? Sounds like a stupid ? to me.
lol 4 a bunch of " smart ? " yall sho stupid... ? mabe da ? aint want 2..
Yea, I really do. I never claim to be the 'smart'. I just observe and critically think and search for the truth unlike you ? who want to use false dichotomy and argument from ignorance and any other logical fallacies to discredit science.
That's understandable but people don't get it. Belief in ? is based on faith. Faith is belief without proof. The two go hand in hand. You can call it "ignorance" or "logical fallacies" or you can call it "faith." -
Some George Carlin and logic for you:
Trillions and trillions of prayers every day asking and begging and pleading for favors. 'Do this' 'Gimme that' 'I want a new car' 'I want a better job'. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday. And I say fine, pray for anything you want. Pray for anything. But...what about the divine plan? Remember that? The divine plan. Long time ago ? made a divine plan. Gave it a lot of thought. Decided it was a good plan. Put it into practice. And for billion and billions of years the divine plan has been doing just fine. Now you come along and pray for something. Well, suppose the thing you want isn't in ? 's divine plan. What do you want him to do? Change his plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a divine plan. What's the use of being ? if every run-down schmuck with a two dollar prayer book can come along and ? up your plan? And here's something else, another problem you might have; suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? 'Well it's ? 's will. ? 's will be done.' Fine, but if it gods will and he's going to do whatever he wants to anyway; why the ? bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me. Couldn't you just skip the praying part and get right to his will? [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]
I want you to know, when it comes to believing in ? - I really tried. I really really tried. I tried to believe that there is a ? who created each one of us in his own image and likeness, loves us very much and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize...something is ? -UP. Something is WRONG here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is NOT good work. If this is the best ? can do, I am NOT impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of ? you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently run universe, this guy would have been out on his all-powerful-ass a long time ago. [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".] -
Here's another question I've been pondering- What is all this ? about Angels? Have you herd this? 3 out of 4 people belive in Angels. Are you ? STUPID? Has everybody lost their mind? You know what I think it is? I think it's a massive, collective, psychotic chemical flashback for all the drugs smoked, swallowed, shot, and obsorbed rectally by all Americans from 1960 to 1990. 30 years of street drugs will get you some ? Angels my friend! [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]
What about Goblins, huh? Doesn't anybody belive in Goblins? You never hear about this.. Except on Halloween and then it's all negative ? . And what about Zombies? You never hear from Zombies! That's the trouble with Zombies, they're unreliable! I say if you're going to go for the Angel ? you might as well go for the Zombie package as well.. [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".]
