Does "race" exist in modern humans????

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  • Bodhi
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    edited January 2013
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    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    bambu wrote: »
    Height and vision acuity relate to biological continental ancestry.........

    No.

    And albinism has nothing to do with what was said. Albinos are not seperate races and albinism does not occur in one continent.
  • bambu
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    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    Again silly ? ...........

    Reading is fundamental.......
    Oceanic wrote: »
    It is generally agreed upon that certain genetic traits, including some common illnesses, correlate with genetic ancestry from specific regions, and genetic ancestry as determined by racial identification is becoming an increasingly common tool for risk assessment in medicine.

  • Bodhi
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    edited January 2013
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    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    ^^^ lol.. calm the ? down. I'm still typing.
    Oceanic wrote: »
    It is generally agreed upon that certain genetic traits, including some common illnesses, correlate with genetic ancestry from specific regions, and genetic ancestry as determined by racial identification is becoming an increasingly common tool for risk assessment in medicine.

    ^^^ This is because, as stated earlier, people who have lived in the same geographic region for a long time may share some alleles in common (as in the ability to fight off a specific disease) which may help in some medicinal cases to group various populations for research purposes. Example: grouping Asians in Asia may help for certain medicinal research but then not everyone in Asia is yellow and every Asian does not live in Asia. So remember that continental ancestry does not determine race. I'll share this example with you again since you avoided it the first time: Someone 2000 years from today with continental ancestry in modern america.. what race is this person???
  • bambu
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    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    @Oceanic......
    Oceanic wrote: »
    This is because.....

    Save the explanations and soob stories......

    "Science" does not need your apologies.......
    Oceanic wrote: »
    I'll share this example with you again since you avoided it the first time: Someone 2000 years from today with continental ancestry in modern america.. what race is this person???

    DNA would illustrate person x's biological continental ancestry........

  • bambu
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    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    kai_valya wrote: »

    races have slight differences, and these differences are nowhere near the level they'd have to be to decrease gene exchange.

    the last bolded is what defines different races, can "white" people and "black" people still procreate without any problems? yes, boom, there are no different races

    idiots

    @kai_valya......

    ? please.....

    Dont think you gonna talk slick ? and get away with it.......

    And you have been dodging all of my posts that illustrate the extent of the "slight differences"......

    Why no response to posts with opposing research??????

    I smell ? .........

    The fact that humans of various races can procreate.........

    Does not also eliminate the biological differences in humans of varying continental origins.......

    Dizzy dame.....

    If I bust up in them guts would you not bear a seed that resemble me?????

    yes, BOOM.....

    There are different races.....
  • Bodhi
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    edited January 2013
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    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    bambu wrote: »
    Save the explanations and soob stories......
    I don't have anything intelligent to say in opposition to this......

    Fair enough.
    bambu wrote: »
    DNA would illustrate person x's biological continental ancestry........

    Exactly. The use of DNA would tell where a person's ancestors are from. That does not illustrate "race". It's based specifically off location and matching DNA with a population within a particular area. So you would not know the race of a person 2000 years from now who has continental ancestry in modern america.

    Another example, everyone in the world has ancestral origins in Africa. Does that mean that everyone in the world is black??? No. The answers to these questions would be different if we were able to classify humans in separate species or races. But we can't. So it is what it is.
  • Bodhi
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    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    kai_valya wrote: »
    the last bolded is what defines different races, can "white" people and "black" people still procreate without any problems? yes, boom, there are no different races

    I tried to explain this to him before but it went over his head:
    bambu wrote: »
    And since you follow Linneaus' classification so rigorously religiously......

    Why not follow his human classifications?????

    ? europaeus (Europeans), ? asiaticus (Asians), ? afer (Africans), and ? americanus, for the original 'Americans.'.....

    And my favorite, ? nocturnus(Albinos)....
    Oceanic wrote: »
    Because all humans are the same species. All humans are able to reproduce and give birth to fertile children regardless of race
  • bambu
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    Oceanic wrote: »

    Exactly. The use of DNA would tell where a person's ancestors are from. That does not illustrate "race". It's based specifically off location and matching DNA that people have in common within that area. So you would not know the race of a person 2000 years from now who has continental ancestry in modern america.

    Another example, everyone in the world has ancestral origins in Africa. Does that mean that everyone in the world is black??? No.

    You stupid.......

    DNA will show person X's ancestors are from.......

    So if person X had African ancestry......

    It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........

    Now person X make be appear "white" to the observer...........

    However if person X's YDNA was African.......

    Person X would be African American despite his outer appearance......

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    Your other question was so stupid......

    I am gonna act like I never saw it.....

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  • bambu
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    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    kai_valya wrote: »
    ? ? i'll show ?

    You missed the part where I proved you wrong....

    However...

    Yes ? .....

    You bust up in my thread calling me names......

    But get offended when one comes back at your ass????

    If you can't respond to evidence/heat...

    Get your ass back in the kitchen.....

  • Bodhi
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    edited January 2013
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    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    bambu wrote: »

    So if person X had African ancestry......

    It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........

    Wrong. Nationality does not equal race...

    bambu wrote: »

    Now person X make be appear "white" to the observer...........

    ...so whites can have ancestors from Africa...

    bambu wrote: »

    However if person X's YDNA was African.......

    Person X would be African despite his outer appearance......


    ...and being African or having african ancestry does not equal being black.





    So again: if person X, 2000 years from today, had continental ancestry in modern America, what race would person x be???
  • bambu
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    Oceanic wrote: »

    So again: if person X, 2000 years from today, had continental ancestry in modern America, what race would person x be???[/b]

    Again ? ......

    DNA will show where person X's ancestors are from.......

    So if person X had African ancestry......

    It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........

    Now person X make be appear "white" to the observer...........

    And may be "mixed" with several different races.......

    However if person X's YDNA was African.......

    Person X would be African American despite his outer appearance......

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    Your other questions are so stupid......

    I am gonna act like I never saw them.....

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  • Bodhi
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    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    bambu wrote: »

    So if person X had African ancestry......

    It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........

    Wrong. Nationality does not equal race...

    bambu wrote: »

    Now person X make be appear "white" to the observer...........

    ...so whites can have ancestors from Africa...

    bambu wrote: »

    However if person X's YDNA was African.......

    Person X would be African despite his outer appearance......


    ...and being African or having african ancestry does not equal being black.





    So again: if person X, 2000 years from today, had continental ancestry in modern America, what race would person x be???
  • bambu
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    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    kai_valya wrote: »
    bambu wrote: »
    kai_valya wrote: »
    ? ? i'll show ?

    You missed the part where I proved you wrong....

    However...

    Yes ? .....

    You bust up in my thread calling me names......

    But get offended when one comes back at your ass????

    If you can't respond to evidence/heat...

    Get your ass back in the kitchen.....

    except actually you didn't, in that sentence, i was speaking on how race, in terms of the social construct, works, not the actual biological definition, i edited that in for you to clarify

    so now you wanna get sexist because i'm clearly smarter than you? maybe pick up a book and stop being so smart-dumb all the time

    @kai_valya......

    I have been proving your ? wrong since page 1........

    I am not sexist........

    I love ? ............

    And you still have not responded to my earlier posts............

    Why?????

    Because you are wrong............

    You asked two questions that *morons* cant answer.......

    However your no-response illustrates who the true ? is..........
  • bambu
    bambu Members Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    Oceanic wrote: »

    Wrong. Nationality does not equal race...

    I never said that.........
    Oceanic wrote: »


    ...so whites can have ancestors from Africa...

    Yes.....

    Oceanic wrote: »


    ...and being African or having african ancestry does not equal being black.

    I never said this either.......


    So again.........

    DNA will show where person X's ancestors are from.......

    So if person X had African ancestry......

    It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........

    Now person X may appear "white" to the observer...........

    And may also be "mixed" with several different races.......

    However if person X's YDNA was African.......

    Person X would be African American despite his outer appearance......

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    Your other questions are so stupid......

    I am gonna act like I never saw them.....

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  • bambu
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    @Oceanic......

    You could never stand in the square against me with that weak ? my ? ......................

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    @kai_valya......

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  • Bodhi
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    Oceanic wrote: »

    ...so whites can have ancestors from Africa...
    bambu wrote: »
    Yes.....

    ...So… continental ancestry =/= race.


    I'm glad you understand.

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  • bambu
    bambu Members Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    Don't congratulate yourself so fast playa........

    Person X may "be" or appear "white"...........

    But have African ancestry.......

    Continental ancestry does "equal" race
    .........

    What you are attempting to say and what I have already illustrated is that............

    Skin color does not always equal race or continental ancestry...........

    In your example or question...........
    Oceanic wrote: »

    ...so whites can have ancestors from Africa...

    Person X would be African...............

    Despite their outer appearance.......

    And stop biting my gifs ? .......

    I drop the mic......

    Then your ? ass is dropping mics......

    Get your own ? ? .......

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  • Bodhi
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    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    bambu wrote: »
    but.. but...

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    bambu wrote: »

    What you are attempting to say and what I have already illustrated is that............

    Skin color (phenotype) does not equal race or continental ancestry...........

    ...So... phenotype =/= race.


    I'm glad you understand.

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  • Bodhi
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    bambu wrote: »
    And stop biting my gifs ? .......

    I drop the mic......

    Then your ? ass is dropping mics......

    Get your own ? ? .......

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  • bambu
    bambu Members Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2013
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    Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
    You might be the dumbest ? on the IC..........

    Skin color or melanin pigmentation is but one of thousands of phenotypic traits that are observable by humans......
    Wikipedia wrote: »
    Purely Mendelian traits are a tiny minority of all traits, since most phenotypic traits exhibit incomplete dominance, codominance, and contributions from many genes.

    So this statement;
    Oceanic wrote: »
    phenotype =/= race.

    Is horseshit.........

    That is the problem with your ignorant-ass Darwinist perspective.......

    You cannot even absorb what goes on at the genetic and biological level......

    So you make grandiose assumptions using your "logic"..........

    And now you putting words in a ? mouth too........

    I know I talk ? .......

    However, I stick to the facts(evidence).........

    If you are going to post completely ignorant ? , then take it to the donkey room.......

    If you want to continue this debate........

    I am gonna need you to step your ? game up B........
  • Bodhi
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    Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????
    bambu wrote: »
    but.. but...
    bambu wrote: »
    Skin color does not equal race...........
    bambu wrote: »
    but.. but...
    bambu wrote: »
    Skin color is one of thousands of phenotypic traits
    bambu wrote: »
    phenotype =/= race
    is horseshit.........


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    bambu wrote: »
    You might be the dumbest ? on the IC..........

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    bambu wrote: »
    Person X may be white...........
    But have African ancestry.......
    bambu wrote: »
    but.. but...
    bambu wrote: »
    if person X had African ancestry......
    It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........

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  • Bodhi
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    bambu wrote: »
    I will destroy you.................

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  • bambu
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    All those emotions with no proper response....

    What's wrong????

    Only thing you can do now is ? & jive around the issue.....

    This thread began as a debate and has unfortunately turned into a ? minstrel show.....

    Again lil' ? ....

    Fall back until you have something that at least makes sense......

    HOTEP
  • Bodhi
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    bambu wrote: »
    All those emotions with no proper response....

    What's wrong????

    Only thing you can do now is ? & jive around the issue.....

    This thread began as a debate and has unfortunately turned into a ? minstrel show.....

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    bambu wrote: »
    Fall back until you have something that at least makes sense......

    I'll I'm doing is quoting your ? and inconsistencies so if it doesn't make sense to you, that's good because it shouldn't make sense. It's false. You've been saying a lot of false ? and are failing in being able to continue to color within the lines. My response is pointing out your ? . Deal with it.
    bambu wrote: »
    HOTEP


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  • bambu
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    Whatever ? ....

    I answered your question....

    You have no rebuttal.....

    HOTEP......