Does "race" exist in modern humans????
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
@Oceanic...... You've been saying a lot of false ? and are failing in being able to continue to color within the lines.
Prove it.........I'll I'm doing is quoting your ? and inconsistencies so if it doesn't make sense to you, that's good because it shouldn't make sense.
The problem is that it does not make sense to you.......
There are no inconsistencies in my posts........
Again, your whitewashed Darwinist perspective cannot grasp the material.......
Which is why you cannot formulate a functioning response in your own words.........
I answered your question....
You have no rebuttal.....
HOTEP......
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Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????I posted this:There is considerable biological variation in between human populations across the globe, resulting in fairly variable phenotypes. Traditionally human phenotypical variation has been described as breaking down into large continental races, characterized by easily definable traits. Humans were then classified into one of four or five phenotypical groups often based on skin color, hair texture, and ? anatomy, and which were matched to a continent with which each group were associated. Often racial classification of humans was described in terms of essential characteristics, and came to serve as a way of naturalizing social and cultural stereotypes about racial groups, in turn justifying or motivating different forms of racism. As the study of human biological variation advanced it became clear that most variation is clinally distributed and blends gradually from one area to the next, with no clear boundaries between continents, additionally different traits have different clinal distributions. This realization made many anthropologists and biologists abandon the idea of major human races, instead describing biological variation in terms of populations and clinally distributed traits.
You got hung up on this:There is considerable biological variation in between human populations across the globe, resulting in fairly variable phenotypes.
without knowing this:phenotype is the observable result of a genotype, so that could be anything from height to vision acuity which has nothing to do with race.
phenotype =/= race
and without reading this:As the study of human biological variation advanced it became clear that most variation is clinally distributed and blends gradually from one area to the next, with no clear boundaries between continents, additionally different traits have different clinal distributions. This realization made many anthropologists and biologists abandon the idea of major human races, instead describing biological variation in terms of populations and clinally distributed traits. -
Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????You quoted this:There is considerable biological variation in between human populations across the globe, resulting in fairly variable phenotypes.
adding this:phenotypes/"races".
..believing and insinuating that phenotypical differences were enough to classify humans into separate races and that phenotype is a synonym for race, also observed here where you treated the two words as synonyms:Whether you call it phenotype [or] race..........
It still exists........
But then, switching up your position, you said this:Skin color does not equal race...........Skin color is one of thousands of phenotypic traits
^^^ which I agree with. Skin pigment is a phenotype, along with eye color, height, and visual acuity as explained earlier.
But then you strangely did a 180 and contradicted yourself here:phenotype =/= race
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????@Oceanic......
Phenotype does "equal" "race"......A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.
Race: A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
Therefore, both environmental factors (continental origin) and biological variations (that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases) are included in a phenotype..........
From the phenotype there are thousands if not millions of traits..........
Some of which are used to classify humans into various "races"..........
Others, such as skin color are described by phenotype........
However are not sufficient in the racial/ethnic classifications.......Again silly ? ...........
Reading is fundamental.......It is generally agreed upon that certain genetic traits, including some common illnesses, correlate with genetic ancestry from specific regions, and genetic ancestry as determined by racial identification is becoming an increasingly common tool for risk assessment in medicine.
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????Ha......
? ass mods burying my posts.........
That is the only way to make it look like ya'll have a ? clue........
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????@kai_valya.......
Bury this stupid ? .......
I just posted the ? definition for phenotype......
You cant even reply to my posts.......
But trying to act like your side won???????
? please.......@Oceanic......
Phenotype does "equal" "race"......A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.
Race: A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
Therefore, both environmental factors (continental origin) and biological variations (that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases) are included in a phenotype..........
From the phenotype there are thousands if not millions of traits..........
Some of which are used to classify humans into various "races"..........
Others, such as skin color are described by phenotype........
However are not sufficient in the racial/ethnic classifications.......Again silly ? ...........
Reading is fundamental.......It is generally agreed upon that certain genetic traits, including some common illnesses, correlate with genetic ancestry from specific regions, and genetic ancestry as determined by racial identification is becoming an increasingly common tool for risk assessment in medicine.
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Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????Phenotype does "equal" "race"......
False.
PHENOTYPE: The set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/phenotype
Various phenotypes can occur within the same "race" of people. Again, I'll use Asians as an example. There are varying phenotypes across the Asian continent. There are also varying phenotypes across the African continent between "black" people. Phenotype does not equal race.Race: A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
In this definition, race could be a mixture of skin pigments and phenotypes. For example, the American "melting ? ", or even the mixed culture of Australia. Using this definition of race causes your original definition of race to be synonymous with species fails.environmental factors (continental origin) are included in a phenotype..........
False. "Environmental factors" does not include continental origin but phenology, as described in your definition of phenotype here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype
..Just so there is no confusion, phenology is defined as:
Phenology is the study of periodic plant and animal life cycle events and how these are influenced by seasonal and interannual variations in climate, as well as habitat factors (such as elevation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenology
You are losing track of what you want "race" to be defined as. You want race to be defined as and synonymous with species. That is not possible.From the phenotype there are thousands if not millions of traits..........
Some of which are used to classify humans into various "races"..........
However,
As the study of human biological variation advanced it became clear that most variation is clinally distributed and blends gradually from one area to the next, with no clear boundaries between continents, additionally different traits have different clinal distributions. This realization made many anthropologists and biologists abandon the idea of major human races, instead describing biological variation in terms of populations and clinally distributed traits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human -
Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????but.. but...Skin color does not equal race...........but.. but...Skin color is one of thousands of phenotypic traitsphenotype =/= race
is horseshit.........
An example of a phenotypic trait is hair color, there are underlying genes that control the hair color, which make up the genotype, but the actual hair color, the part we see, is the phenotype. The phenotype is the physical characteristics of the organism. The phenotype is controlled by the genetic make-up of the organism and the environmental pressures the organism is subject to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotypic_traitphenotype =/= race
is horseshit.........
^^^ So hair color equals race? Height equals race?? Visual acuity equals race???
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????you asked me to bury it and i complied
A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.
where does it say that phenotype is a synonym for skin colour
and why won't you answer whether you took a science course in college or not? (psst....it's clear the answer is none)
@kai_valya..........
Nah ? .....
You have been burying my ? ........
I am afraid you will have you bury this one too.....
It really makes you look dumb......
Morphology~
"In biology, morphology is a branch of bioscience dealing with the study of the form and structure of organisms and their specific structural features.
This includes aspects of the outward appearance (shape, structure, colour, pattern)"
Idiot ? .....
My degree is anthropology/history........
I took several "science courses" ........
I am tired of you ? mods moving, deleting, and burying my ? .......
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Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????Moving on...DNA will show where person X's ancestors are from.......
So if person X had African ancestry......
It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........
Now person X make be appear "white" to the observer...........
And may be "mixed" with several different races.......
However if person X's YDNA was African.......
Person X would be African despite his outer appearance......It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "African" race.........
^^^ Here, you're using one definition of race:
A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.And may be "mixed" with several different races.......
^^^ Here, you're using a different definition of race:
Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics.
or more specifically, for your liking, we can just swap in the definition of species, since your theory of racial hierarchy and Darwinist racism would call for it:
A group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding.
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A group subordinate to a genus and containing individuals agreeing in some common attributes and called by a common name.
^^^ So all of that is not coherent. But anyway... you say this:Continental ancestry does "equal" race.........
But you go on to say:Yes.....
in response to this question:so whites can have ancestors from Africa?
in addition, you say this:Person X may be white...........
But have African ancestry.......
Which does not make much sense. If "whites", defined by you as seperate from "blacks", can have continental ancestry in Africa, would that not throw your theory of "race" defined by continental ancestry and origins off its track?
You've also done a fine job of avoiding this question:If person X, 2000 years from today, had continental ancestry in modern America, what race would person x be???
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Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????do you always debate like this?
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Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????I am afraid
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????@kai_valya.......
Bury this stupid ? .......
I just posted the ? definition for phenotype......
You cant even reply to my posts.......
But trying to act like your side won???????
? please.......@Oceanic......
Phenotype does "equal" "race"......A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.
Race: A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
Therefore, both environmental factors (continental origin) and biological variations (that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases) are included in a phenotype..........
From the phenotype there are thousands if not millions of traits..........
Some of which are used to classify humans into various "races"..........
Others, such as skin color are described by phenotype........
However are not sufficient in the racial/ethnic classifications.......Again silly ? ...........
Reading is fundamental.......It is generally agreed upon that certain genetic traits, including some common illnesses, correlate with genetic ancestry from specific regions, and genetic ancestry as determined by racial identification is becoming an increasingly common tool for risk assessment in medicine.
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
^^^ So hair color equals race? Height equals race?? Visual acuity equals race???
No stupid ? .......
Race = A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
Biology
a. An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
b. A breed or strain, as of domestic animals
A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior (such as a bird's nest). Phenotypes result from the expression of an organism's genes as well as the influence of environmental factors and the interactions between the two.
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????so what's your point with this post? what does morphology have to do with anything we've been talking about?
do you always debate like this, you pretty bad at it
You are a dumb ? .....
where does it say that phenotype is a synonym for skin colour
and why won't you answer whether you took a science course in college or not? (psst....it's clear the answer is none)
It says nothing about phenotype being a synonym for skin color........
However it does say that "A phenotype (from Greek phainein, 'to show' + typos, 'type') is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology"
Therefore, the phenotype encompasses skin color......
I am afraid you will have you bury this one too.....
It really makes you look dumb......
Morphology~
"In biology, morphology is a branch of bioscience dealing with the study of the form and structure of organisms and their specific structural features.
This includes aspects of the outward appearance (shape, structure, colour, pattern)"
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Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????That was a rhetorical question, @bambu. Sorry for confusing you.
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Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????Again dumb ? ....
You missed the schooling/ether......
If you don't want to be called a ? .....
You shouldn't have come up in here calling me ? ........ -
Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????Look at ? @FuriousOne........
Wacking dictionaries and encyclopedias........
Have you no shame???????? -
Are there seperate genetically classifiable races????
Which does not make much sense. If "whites", defined by you as seperate from "blacks", can have continental ancestry in Africa, would that not throw your theory of "race" defined by continental ancestry and origins off its track?
You've also done a fine job of avoiding this question:If person X, 2000 years from today, had continental ancestry in modern America, what race would person x be???
@Oceanic.....
You are desperate as hell......
Skin color does not necessarily determine a persons race.........
DNA/other phenotypic traits will show where person X's ancestors are from.......
So if person X had European ancestry......
It would be safe to say that person X belonged to the "European" race.........
Now person X make be appear "brown" to the observer...........
However if person X's YDNA was European.......
Person X would be European American despite his outer appearance......
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@bamboozled, you don't deserve a proper response ? . Your very presence deserved a wack. Good riddance.
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Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????Skin color does not necessarily determine a persons race.........
Then the concept of race is simply a poor way of grouping individuals based on phenotypical similarities:Humans were classified into one of four or five phenotypical groups often based on skin color, hair texture, and ? anatomy, and which were matched to a continent with which each group were associated. Often racial classification of humans was described in terms of essential characteristics, and came to serve as a way of naturalizing social and cultural stereotypes about racial groups, in turn justifying or motivating different forms of racism.
If skin color does not determine race, nor does any other characteristic or trait, then race can only be a manmade concept or systemization and nothing more.
First,all living humans belong to the same species, ? sapiens and subspecies, ? sapiens sapiens
Secondly,It is demonstrated that race has no biological or genetic basis: gross morphological features which traditionally has been defined as races (e.g. skin color) are determined by non-significant and superficial genetic alleles with no link to any characteristics, such as intelligence, talent, athletic ability, etc. Race has been socially and legally constructed despite the lack of any scientific evidence for dividing humanity into racial baskets with any generalized genetic meaning.
Thirdly,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)As the study of human biological variation advanced it became clear that most variation is clinally distributed and blends gradually from one area to the next, with no clear boundaries between continents, additionally different traits have different clinal distributions. This realization made many anthropologists and biologists abandon the idea of major human races, instead describing biological variation in terms of populations and clinally distributed traits.
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Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????And ultimately, this is still true:
DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other.
http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/minorities.shtml
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Are humans too genetically similar to be classified as various races????user banned
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Props to @Oceanic for keeping up with this nonsense. Your patience makes me want to investigate the tenants of Buddhism. Also, Buddhist monks are the only ones i ever see proving what they preach. Dudes be doing some crazy ? with their bodies.
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Indeed, it's a wonder why if they didn't want to, they'd even respond to them in the first place.
