X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)

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  • The Lonious Monk
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    I honestly think this idea that the Sentinels could absorb powers is a misinterpretation of what was going on. The Sentinels didn't actually absorb any powers. They just have the ability to alter the properties of their skins, and they used that ability to respond to certain threats. For instance, when they were hit with cold, they heated their skins. When they were hit with heat, they cooled their skins. When they were being attacked with bladed weapons, they hardened their skins. They didn't get the ability to adapt or absorb from Mystique. They got the ability to morph their skins from Mystique, and Trask & Co. further advanced that ability.
  • thefabmd2dc
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    quicksilver was the best thing about this movie a shame he wasn't in it longer.
    Avengers/Marvel has a lot to live up to
  • Splackavelli
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    some_? ! wrote: »
    J-Breezy wrote: »
    I don't think it had anything to do with him being a midget more so the fact they liked him as an actor.

    Why was quicksilver listening to "time in a bottle" but time slowed down yet it's playing in real time on his walkman in suspended time.

    I don't want to spoil the rest of the movie so I'll put them in a spoiler.
    Why would mystique morph back into herself in front of a whole camp at the end. Why is she walking around butt naked in the whole film while in the comics, she wore a white dress.

    Why send Wolverine in the 1970s to find Xavier and Magneto when they were enemies in order to find Mystique who is ? -knows-where when they could have sent him just a few years earlier when Mystique was with Xavier AND Magneto and all of them where in the same Mansion and all friendly to each other and thus more prone to diplomacy?

    Why not go back in time to simply ask Xavier to Jedi-? Bolivar Trask into liking mutants and destroying his sentinels in secret instead of just stopping Mystique from killing him? Doesn’t look like a full long-term solution. Hell, if Wolverine could convince Xavier to stop using his drugs, they wouldn’t even need Quicksilver to free Magneto from the Pentagon.

    Wolverine needs to go back in time to stop the Sentinel program that started in the 1970s even though the sentinel program was never seen nor mentioned in the last films that covered the 1960s through the early 2000s.

    Wolverine lost his adamantium claws in the film The Wolverine and has them magically back on in the future. Did Magneto cover his bone-claws with new adamantium?

    If Mystique can change her body mass to adapt to any form like Tyrion Lannister with a porn stache, why doesn't she always fight as a 7-foot-tall UFC fighter every time she has to punch people?

    Why didn’t the U.S. Senate buy the Sentinel prototypes for other types of war? They might not feel mutants are a threat, but as far as we know it’s still the Cold War and I’m sure the United States Army would love to have unmanned killer-robots in the 1970s to fight communism. There is simply no way Trask’s awesome war invention would not have been bought by the American government.

    Why didn’t Magneto simply use his robots to ? everyone at the White House in front of the camera crews to establish that using robots is a bad idea, completely shut-down the Mutant fear and never exposing himself? Flying with a baseball stadium is pretty cool too but a lot less logical and a lot more dangerous for him.

    These directors are stretch armstronging this movie around wolverine but it makes no sense and it's disgusting.

    man I stopped at Xavier using drugs. damn man you had to spoil that . what I'd give to see Xavier stoned.
  • BangEm_Bart
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    What made this movie decent was quicksilvers scene and the fact that James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender turned garbage into gold off the pure credibility of their acting skills, the rest of this movie wasn't really memorable to me. The post credit scene didn't even correlate with the rest of this movie.
    I didn't know apocalypse has telekinesis. I guess they're creating something that's not in the comics with this story, we'll see how that goes.
  • DarthRozay
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    some_? ! wrote: »
    J-Breezy wrote: »
    I don't think it had anything to do with him being a midget more so the fact they liked him as an actor.

    Why was quicksilver listening to "time in a bottle" but time slowed down yet it's playing in real time on his walkman in suspended time.

    I don't want to spoil the rest of the movie so I'll put them in a spoiler.
    Why would mystique morph back into herself in front of a whole camp at the end. Why is she walking around butt naked in the whole film while in the comics, she wore a white dress.

    Why send Wolverine in the 1970s to find Xavier and Magneto when they were enemies in order to find Mystique who is ? -knows-where when they could have sent him just a few years earlier when Mystique was with Xavier AND Magneto and all of them where in the same Mansion and all friendly to each other and thus more prone to diplomacy?

    Why not go back in time to simply ask Xavier to Jedi-? Bolivar Trask into liking mutants and destroying his sentinels in secret instead of just stopping Mystique from killing him? Doesn’t look like a full long-term solution. Hell, if Wolverine could convince Xavier to stop using his drugs, they wouldn’t even need Quicksilver to free Magneto from the Pentagon.

    Wolverine needs to go back in time to stop the Sentinel program that started in the 1970s even though the sentinel program was never seen nor mentioned in the last films that covered the 1960s through the early 2000s.

    Wolverine lost his adamantium claws in the film The Wolverine and has them magically back on in the future. Did Magneto cover his bone-claws with new adamantium?

    If Mystique can change her body mass to adapt to any form like Tyrion Lannister with a porn stache, why doesn't she always fight as a 7-foot-tall UFC fighter every time she has to punch people?

    Why didn’t the U.S. Senate buy the Sentinel prototypes for other types of war? They might not feel mutants are a threat, but as far as we know it’s still the Cold War and I’m sure the United States Army would love to have unmanned killer-robots in the 1970s to fight communism. There is simply no way Trask’s awesome war invention would not have been bought by the American government.

    Why didn’t Magneto simply use his robots to ? everyone at the White House in front of the camera crews to establish that using robots is a bad idea, completely shut-down the Mutant fear and never exposing himself? Flying with a baseball stadium is pretty cool too but a lot less logical and a lot more dangerous for him.

    These directors are stretch armstronging this movie around wolverine but it makes no sense and it's disgusting.

    man I stopped at Xavier using drugs. damn man you had to spoil that . what I'd give to see Xavier stoned.
    he ain't stoned. think medication more than anything else

  • The Lonious Monk
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    some_? ! wrote: »
    What made this movie decent was quicksilvers scene and the fact that James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender turned garbage into gold off the pure credibility of their acting skills, the rest of this movie wasn't really memorable to me. The post credit scene didn't even correlate with the rest of this movie.
    I didn't know apocalypse has telekinesis. I guess they're creating something that's not in the comics with this story, we'll see how that goes.

    lol Of course that scene didn't correlate with the rest of the movie. It was there solely to set up the next movie.
  • DarthRozay
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    there's no rule about what the end credit scenes have to be about or show. at least dofp had one that ties in with the next movie, I like those better than the pointless funny ones like the alien/dinosaur thing at the end of thor 2.
  • Mally_G
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    I honestly think this idea that the Sentinels could absorb powers is a misinterpretation of what was going on. The Sentinels didn't actually absorb any powers. They just have the ability to alter the properties of their skins, and they used that ability to respond to certain threats. For instance, when they were hit with cold, they heated their skins. When they were hit with heat, they cooled their skins. When they were being attacked with bladed weapons, they hardened their skins. They didn't get the ability to adapt or absorb from Mystique. They got the ability to morph their skins from Mystique, and Trask & Co. further advanced that ability.

    I believe there's a deleted scene where Xavier/Magneto spring Rogue from one of Trask's experimental torture chambers. Meaning, they had her blood and implemented it into the new sentinel model. It may be on the DVD release.

    I fully understand your explanation of how the sentinels adapt their bodies to the attack, but when that one sentinel grabbed Colossus, he held him until his body turned into the armor that Colossus has, making it equally strong and durable. IMO, that shows that they have the ability absorb the power of whatever mutant it comes into contact with......Rogue's ability.

    Almost all of the mutants that were experimented on, off camera, in the attempt to create the perfect mutant killing machine had their abilities implemented into the sentinels and those powers could be used to counter any attack against them. Lady Deathstrike, Emma Frost, and Rogue's ability's were on display in the movie assuming at some point, their genetics were engineered into the sentinels.
  • The Lonious Monk
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    Mally_G wrote: »
    I fully understand your explanation of how the sentinels adapt their bodies to the attack, but when that one sentinel grabbed Colossus, he held him until his body turned into the armor that Colossus has, making it equally strong and durable. IMO, that shows that they have the ability absorb the power of whatever mutant it comes into contact with......Rogue's ability.

    Almost all of the mutants that were experimented on, off camera, in the attempt to create the perfect mutant killing machine had their abilities implemented into the sentinels and those powers could be used to counter any attack against them. Lady Deathstrike, Emma Frost, and Rogue's ability's were on display in the movie assuming at some point, their genetics were engineered into the sentinels.

    You can't really use deleted scenes to explain things that happen in the movie though. That ? may no longer apply. I can understand why people think that the Sentinels absorbed powers because in some way it looked like that, but ask yourself how come they weren't able to use any powers that weren't associated with the skin. For instance, they killed Blink, but they couldn't just open a gate through the barrier Magneto created, they had to blast through. They killed Storm, but they didn't suddenly start flinging lightning and controlling the wind. Every ability they showed other than the heat ray involved morphing their body shape or changing the properties of their skin similar to what Mystique could do with some enhancements.
  • af.r.i.c.a.
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    so are we going to get Jean Gray as the Phx in the next film ? ? up? I think she will be the key to defeating Pac
  • Splackavelli
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    ^no to hell with phoenix. they use that concept too much.
  • soul rattler
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    ^no to hell with phoenix. they use that concept too much.

    It was one and done in one movie.
  • Splackavelli
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    ^no to hell with phoenix. they use that concept too much.

    It was one and done in one movie.

    i'm not just talking about the movies comics animated series. it's been done too much. I don't care if they didn't do it right the first time and now they want to bring it back. ? phoenix find some other way to defeat apocalypse have beast hack his technology and use ship against him or some ? . phoenix is just taking the easy way out. she's too damn powerful. she has the potential to destroy planetary systems. using her in this film would be like using a cheat code.
  • iron man1
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    We should get a proper phx storyline with the shiar empire and all that good ? .m
  • Mally_G
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    Mally_G wrote: »
    I fully understand your explanation of how the sentinels adapt their bodies to the attack, but when that one sentinel grabbed Colossus, he held him until his body turned into the armor that Colossus has, making it equally strong and durable. IMO, that shows that they have the ability absorb the power of whatever mutant it comes into contact with......Rogue's ability.

    Almost all of the mutants that were experimented on, off camera, in the attempt to create the perfect mutant killing machine had their abilities implemented into the sentinels and those powers could be used to counter any attack against them. Lady Deathstrike, Emma Frost, and Rogue's ability's were on display in the movie assuming at some point, their genetics were engineered into the sentinels.

    You can't really use deleted scenes to explain things that happen in the movie though. That ? may no longer apply. I can understand why people think that the Sentinels absorbed powers because in some way it looked like that, but ask yourself how come they weren't able to use any powers that weren't associated with the skin. For instance, they killed Blink, but they couldn't just open a gate through the barrier Magneto created, they had to blast through. They killed Storm, but they didn't suddenly start flinging lightning and controlling the wind. Every ability they showed other than the heat ray involved morphing their body shape or changing the properties of their skin similar to what Mystique could do with some enhancements.

    no arguments here, just feeling out what everyone's belief/theory on this new sentinel technology.

    you say you don't believe they absorb power through touch because if so, they'd use Blink and Storm's ability. I'm thinking that Storm's ability is more "natural" since she's controlling the elements/weather, so she can summon the winds, rain, thunder/lightning at will; whereas a machine can't call on something of that nature because it was not born in nature. And Blink's power uses thought of where to open a portal and where it leads to; again, I don't think a sentinel thinks of where it's going, it follows it's target. Touching her may provide the data needed for implementation and future use, but there may be a need for additional research/experiments on her DNA to make the sentinels "smart" enough to open up a portal and know where they are headed. Plus, make them use the portals in an strategic manner to make them more effective killing machines, using stealth.

    What if they used Quicksilver's DNA, would a sentinel have the ability to run fast? If so, every living thing on the planet could be wiped out in a matter of hours.

  • DarthRozay
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    Mally_G wrote: »
    Mally_G wrote: »
    I fully understand your explanation of how the sentinels adapt their bodies to the attack, but when that one sentinel grabbed Colossus, he held him until his body turned into the armor that Colossus has, making it equally strong and durable. IMO, that shows that they have the ability absorb the power of whatever mutant it comes into contact with......Rogue's ability.

    Almost all of the mutants that were experimented on, off camera, in the attempt to create the perfect mutant killing machine had their abilities implemented into the sentinels and those powers could be used to counter any attack against them. Lady Deathstrike, Emma Frost, and Rogue's ability's were on display in the movie assuming at some point, their genetics were engineered into the sentinels.

    You can't really use deleted scenes to explain things that happen in the movie though. That ? may no longer apply. I can understand why people think that the Sentinels absorbed powers because in some way it looked like that, but ask yourself how come they weren't able to use any powers that weren't associated with the skin. For instance, they killed Blink, but they couldn't just open a gate through the barrier Magneto created, they had to blast through. They killed Storm, but they didn't suddenly start flinging lightning and controlling the wind. Every ability they showed other than the heat ray involved morphing their body shape or changing the properties of their skin similar to what Mystique could do with some enhancements.


    What if they used Quicksilver's DNA, would a sentinel have the ability to run fast? If so, every living thing on the planet could be wiped out in a matter of hours.
    they'd have to catch him first. lol

    Quicksilver and the entire 70's parts of the movie were dope as ? though. Give me a couple entire movies like that.
  • Splackavelli
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    iron man1 wrote: »
    We should get a proper phx storyline with the shiar empire and all that good ? .m

    no save that alien b.s. for guardians of the galaxy. same goes for the starjammers. yeah marvel can have movies dealing with the intergalacted realm star jammers could make appearences in guardians of the galaxy same with silver surver the inhumans etc.
  • Phantom Pain
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    some_? ! wrote: »
    J-Breezy wrote: »
    I don't think it had anything to do with him being a midget more so the fact they liked him as an actor.

    Why was quicksilver listening to "time in a bottle" but time slowed down yet it's playing in real time on his walkman in suspended time.

    I don't want to spoil the rest of the movie so I'll put them in a spoiler.
    Why would mystique morph back into herself in front of a whole camp at the end. Why is she walking around butt naked in the whole film while in the comics, she wore a white dress.

    Why send Wolverine in the 1970s to find Xavier and Magneto when they were enemies in order to find Mystique who is ? -knows-where when they could have sent him just a few years earlier when Mystique was with Xavier AND Magneto and all of them where in the same Mansion and all friendly to each other and thus more prone to diplomacy?

    Why not go back in time to simply ask Xavier to Jedi-? Bolivar Trask into liking mutants and destroying his sentinels in secret instead of just stopping Mystique from killing him? Doesn’t look like a full long-term solution. Hell, if Wolverine could convince Xavier to stop using his drugs, they wouldn’t even need Quicksilver to free Magneto from the Pentagon.

    Wolverine needs to go back in time to stop the Sentinel program that started in the 1970s even though the sentinel program was never seen nor mentioned in the last films that covered the 1960s through the early 2000s.

    Wolverine lost his adamantium claws in the film The Wolverine and has them magically back on in the future. Did Magneto cover his bone-claws with new adamantium?

    If Mystique can change her body mass to adapt to any form like Tyrion Lannister with a porn stache, why doesn't she always fight as a 7-foot-tall UFC fighter every time she has to punch people?

    Why didn’t the U.S. Senate buy the Sentinel prototypes for other types of war? They might not feel mutants are a threat, but as far as we know it’s still the Cold War and I’m sure the United States Army would love to have unmanned killer-robots in the 1970s to fight communism. There is simply no way Trask’s awesome war invention would not have been bought by the American government.

    Why didn’t Magneto simply use his robots to ? everyone at the White House in front of the camera crews to establish that using robots is a bad idea, completely shut-down the Mutant fear and never exposing himself? Flying with a baseball stadium is pretty cool too but a lot less logical and a lot more dangerous for him.

    These directors are stretch armstronging this movie around wolverine but it makes no sense and it's disgusting.

    My dude, it's just a movie. Are you ok?
  • Breezy_Kilroy
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    It was alright
    i liked the build but it left more to be desired.
    I was waiting for a war but it never happened.
    They showed the future but we didn't get a sense of how catastrophic it was.
    Magneto was an afterthought.
    The way he did Wolverine was tough ? looked gross. Made my skin crawl

    Quicksilver's part was dope but other than that not much really stood out.

    Oh yeah the sentinels were ? them up though damn, straight fatalities in the future.

    I don't feel it was better than Cap 2 not even close.

    I liked how they erased the past with this movie but that just shows how often they dropped the ball.
    They know they ? up but hopefully they deliver with Apocalypse.
  • The Lonious Monk
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    Mally_G wrote: »

    no arguments here, just feeling out what everyone's belief/theory on this new sentinel technology.

    you say you don't believe they absorb power through touch because if so, they'd use Blink and Storm's ability. I'm thinking that Storm's ability is more "natural" since she's controlling the elements/weather, so she can summon the winds, rain, thunder/lightning at will; whereas a machine can't call on something of that nature because it was not born in nature. And Blink's power uses thought of where to open a portal and where it leads to; again, I don't think a sentinel thinks of where it's going, it follows it's target. Touching her may provide the data needed for implementation and future use, but there may be a need for additional research/experiments on her DNA to make the sentinels "smart" enough to open up a portal and know where they are headed. Plus, make them use the portals in an strategic manner to make them more effective killing machines, using stealth.

    What if they used Quicksilver's DNA, would a sentinel have the ability to run fast? If so, every living thing on the planet could be wiped out in a matter of hours.

    That's not really how mutant powers work though. Regardless of how silly it is, Storm's ability to control the weather is no different from Colossus' ability to harden his skin. They both result from the X gene. If Sentinels could absorb the powers granted by the X gene, they should be able to use Storm's just like they used Colossus'. The fact is they didn't show any ability outside of changing the properties of their skin. No weather control, no portals, no fire or ice projection, etc...
  • Bcotton5
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    Isn't there a theory that Storms weather control isn't a mutant power?
  • DarthRozay
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    Bcotton5 wrote: »
    Isn't there a theory that Storms weather control isn't a mutant power?
    what? so what is it then?
  • The Lonious Monk
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    Bcotton5 wrote: »
    Isn't there a theory that Storms weather control isn't a mutant power?

    I hadn't heard that. I know it's definitely not true for the movieverse. There is no need for something like that in the comics either since half the mutant powers out there are as ridiculous or more ridiculous than hers.
  • iron man1
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    eh either way this movie was pretty good and I am looking forward to age of apocalypse but I still enjoyed cap 2 and godzilla more.