Clippers Owner Donald Sterling To GirlFriend - Don't Bring Black People To My Games (AUDIO/PIX)
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You can just google donald sterling + racist And set up to show results from everything before this week. The info was definitely out there
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You know who also lost in all this?
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If sterling said ? australia, he may very well have committed suicide. -
I've been an NBA fan since I was a kid in the early 90's and I never knew about Sterling's history. IDK why ppl keep putting the idea out there that any fan of the NBA was well aware of Sterling's history. I watch the game. I typically don't know anything about the owners other than their first and last names.
just fans of the NBA? No.
But players, analysts, businessmen black and white, and many in the nba teams offices seemed to know. -
@tha_bride22, wanna put our money together to try to buy the Clippers?
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black caesar wrote: »ReppinTime wrote: »Cuban almost had me fooled. After seeing his ? interview he a typical cac too. scust.
What did he say?
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10854381/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-rails-donald-sterling-not-favor-kicking-owner -
I don't think that a persons's private thoughts once made public should be off limits for legislation if that persons is in a position of power and is blatanly anti-black. Actions while important can still be misconstrued and twisted by the media but private thoughts show who you are on a deeper level.
Being anti-black is not a crime though. So there is no legal punishment for that. The only reason it's an issue for sports and such is because the industry depends on fan support. So Sterling being a racist is a bad look for the NBA and gives them incentive to try and do something to get rid of him. But from a more general standpoint, you can't use the law or rules to force someone not to be a bigot. The best you can do is make it so they can't use their bigotry to mistreat others and then punish them if they do.
It might seem crazy, but that's just how it is. Like, you're a business owner right, I forgot if you are or not. But say you have a white employee, and you find out that he's a racist because of things he said away from the job. You could fire him for being a racist, and if he accepts that and leaves without a word, it's all good. However, if he decided to sue you for wrongful termination or whatever it's called, you'd have to actually show proof that his racism took away from his work or negatively impacted the business. That can be hard to do. -
companies have moral clauses in contracts, rules and guidelines all the time
People get fired for what they post on Facebook all the time -
T. Sanford wrote: »@tha_bride22, wanna put our money together to try to buy the Clippers?
Tf they need two teams for anyways?
I say we rob his old ass and make him sign them over to us before he conveniently disappears... -
companies have moral clauses in contracts, rules and guidelines all the time
People get fired for what they post on Facebook all the time
Why is this ? so hard to understand?
There is a difference between you doing something immoral or illegal, capturing the act, and then putting it on a public forum and simply holding unpopular and/or wrong beliefs. Lots of companies have policies about how you have to represent yourself in public, but I don't know of any companies that have rules that dictate what kind of beliefs you can and cannot hold. A company can say you can't promote racist ideology. They can't say you can't be racist.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »companies have moral clauses in contracts, rules and guidelines all the time
People get fired for what they post on Facebook all the time
Why is this ? so hard to understand?
There is a difference between you doing something immoral or illegal, capturing the act, and then putting it on a public forum and simply holding unpopular and/or wrong beliefs. Lots of companies have policies about how you have to represent yourself in public, but I don't know of any companies that have rules that dictate what kind of beliefs you can and cannot hold. A company can say you can't promote racist ideology. They can't say you can't be racist.
But no one is telling Donald Sterling he can't be racist. The problem came when he made comments displaying that racism and they became public.
It's fair game at that point. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »companies have moral clauses in contracts, rules and guidelines all the time
People get fired for what they post on Facebook all the time
Why is this ? so hard to understand?
There is a difference between you doing something immoral or illegal, capturing the act, and then putting it on a public forum and simply holding unpopular and/or wrong beliefs. Lots of companies have policies about how you have to represent yourself in public, but I don't know of any companies that have rules that dictate what kind of beliefs you can and cannot hold. A company can say you can't promote racist ideology. They can't say you can't be racist.
Sure they can. If me and a coworker were going to eat lunch and I told him/her they couldn't invite a black person or not to bring a black person in my office- I wouldn't even last the rest of the day -
mryounggun wrote: »But no one is telling Donald Sterling he can't be racist. The problem came when he made comments displaying that racism and they became public.
It's fair game at that point.
Yes, but it's more fair game because of the overall affect it's having on the league. They can act based on them, but they can't really punish him for being a racist. If that was the case they could have acted a long time ago which honestly they might have done if they could have given that he's not only a racist but a ? owner in general.
Sure they can. If me and a coworker were going to eat lunch and I told him/her they couldn't invite a black person or not to bring a black person in my office- I wouldn't even last the rest of the day
Yes, you can absolutely punish discriminatory behavior. That's different from trying to punish racist views that are only expressed in private away from the workplace or any arena where you'd be conceivably be representing your employer or affecting your employees.
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »But no one is telling Donald Sterling he can't be racist. The problem came when he made comments displaying that racism and they became public.
It's fair game at that point.
Yes, but it's more fair game because of the overall affect it's having on the league. They can act based on them, but they can't really punish him for being a racist. If that was the case they could have acted a long time ago which honestly they might have done if they could have given that he's not only a racist but a ? owner in general.
Sure they can. If me and a coworker were going to eat lunch and I told him/her they couldn't invite a black person or not to bring a black person in my office- I wouldn't even last the rest of the day
Yes, you can absolutely punish discriminatory behavior. That's different from trying to punish racist views that are only expressed in private away from the workplace or any arena where you'd be conceivably be representing your employer or affecting your employees.
Gotcha. I thought you were insinuating that he can't be punished. He can, just not for his actual beliefs. Word. -
In a few minutes (2:00 EST), the NBA's having their press conference. I doubt they'll fine him more than 500K - 1M.
The analysts were claiming, that Sterling's a savvy lawyer, and would probably beat the NBA in a lawsuit if they straight up took the team from him.
My thing is, if dude was so smart, he wouldn't have been fool enough to make those statements while being recorded.
Side note: That ? is not pretty. -
In a few minutes (2:00 EST), the NBA's having their press conference. I doubt they'll fine him more than 500K - 1M.
The analysts were claiming, that Sterling's a savvy lawyer, and would probably beat the NBA in a lawsuit if they straight up took the team from him.
My thing is, if dude was so smart, he wouldn't have been fool enough to make those statements while being recorded.
Side note: That ? is not pretty.
I think he could have any fines reversed too if he chose to fight them. -
NaThe Lonious Monk wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »But no one is telling Donald Sterling he can't be racist. The problem came when he made comments displaying that racism and they became public.
It's fair game at that point.
Yes, but it's more fair game because of the overall affect it's having on the league. They can act based on them, but they can't really punish him for being a racist. If that was the case they could have acted a long time ago which honestly they might have done if they could have given that he's not only a racist but a ? owner in general.
Sure they can. If me and a coworker were going to eat lunch and I told him/her they couldn't invite a black person or not to bring a black person in my office- I wouldn't even last the rest of the day
Yes, you can absolutely punish discriminatory behavior. That's different from trying to punish racist views that are only expressed in private away from the workplace or any arena where you'd be conceivably be representing your employer or affecting your employees.
So if an employer found out that I an employee was in the KKK via an anonymous video tip, they couldn't do anything because it's away from work, they couldn't do anything
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »
I don't think that a persons's private thoughts once made public should be off limits for legislation if that persons is in a position of power and is blatanly anti-black. Actions while important can still be misconstrued and twisted by the media but private thoughts show who you are on a deeper level.
Being anti-black is not a crime though. So there is no legal punishment for that. The only reason it's an issue for sports and such is because the industry depends on fan support. So Sterling being a racist is a bad look for the NBA and gives them incentive to try and do something to get rid of him. But from a more general standpoint, you can't use the law or rules to force someone not to be a bigot. The best you can do is make it so they can't use their bigotry to mistreat others and then punish them if they do.
It might seem crazy, but that's just how it is. Like, you're a business owner right, I forgot if you are or not. But say you have a white employee, and you find out that he's a racist because of things he said away from the job. You could fire him for being a racist, and if he accepts that and leaves without a word, it's all good. However, if he decided to sue you for wrongful termination or whatever it's called, you'd have to actually show proof that his racism took away from his work or negatively impacted the business. That can be hard to do.
Being a bigot might not be a crime under law but it is a social crime and people get punished for that all the time just not always by the law I never called for this man to be put in jail but he should be fined, suspened and if possible forced to sell the team.
The white people who have worked for me In the past i treated fair but l fired their ass if I got proof of any anti-black comments and I have never been sued for it. -
In a few minutes (2:00 EST), the NBA's having their press conference. I doubt they'll fine him more than 500K - 1M.
The analysts were claiming, that Sterling's a savvy lawyer, and would probably beat the NBA in a lawsuit if they straight up took the team from him.
My thing is, if dude was so smart, he wouldn't have been fool enough to make those statements while being recorded.
Side note: That ? is not pretty.
Emotions sometimes turn people into dumb ? . -
sterlings daughter after the last game
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NaThe Lonious Monk wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »But no one is telling Donald Sterling he can't be racist. The problem came when he made comments displaying that racism and they became public.
It's fair game at that point.
Yes, but it's more fair game because of the overall affect it's having on the league. They can act based on them, but they can't really punish him for being a racist. If that was the case they could have acted a long time ago which honestly they might have done if they could have given that he's not only a racist but a ? owner in general.
Sure they can. If me and a coworker were going to eat lunch and I told him/her they couldn't invite a black person or not to bring a black person in my office- I wouldn't even last the rest of the day
Yes, you can absolutely punish discriminatory behavior. That's different from trying to punish racist views that are only expressed in private away from the workplace or any arena where you'd be conceivably be representing your employer or affecting your employees.
So if an employer found out that I an employee was in the KKK via an anonymous video tip, they couldn't do anything because it's away from work, they couldn't do anything
They could fire him. But if he came back and sued, and they couldn't prove that his affiliation negatively impacted the business at all or played into his interactions with coworkers, he'd win. It's not as easy to fire people as you think.Being a bigot might not be a crime under law but it is a social crime and people get punished for that all the time just not always by the law I never called for this man to be put in jail but he should be fined, suspened and if possible forced to sell the team.
The white people who have worked for me In the past i treated fair but l fired their ass if I got proof of any anti-black comments and I have never been sued for it.
We're not talking about criminal law. We're talking about civil law. And companies are limited to what they can do to employees when it comes to policing beliefs, affiliations, etc...
And I'm not saying you can't fire or punish a person for that kind of thing. I'm just saying that it will open you up to lawsuits and typically the burden falls on the employer.
This isn't my field of expertise or anything. It's just that I work with some incompetent government employees, and I asked this guy that works in the legal department how these clowns manage to stay employed despite how bad they are. And he explained the ? to me. It's ? up, that's how it is. -
lazypakman wrote: »sterlings daughter after the last game
Is this real?? -
NaThe Lonious Monk wrote: »mryounggun wrote: »But no one is telling Donald Sterling he can't be racist. The problem came when he made comments displaying that racism and they became public.
It's fair game at that point.
Yes, but it's more fair game because of the overall affect it's having on the league. They can act based on them, but they can't really punish him for being a racist. If that was the case they could have acted a long time ago which honestly they might have done if they could have given that he's not only a racist but a ? owner in general.
Sure they can. If me and a coworker were going to eat lunch and I told him/her they couldn't invite a black person or not to bring a black person in my office- I wouldn't even last the rest of the day
Yes, you can absolutely punish discriminatory behavior. That's different from trying to punish racist views that are only expressed in private away from the workplace or any arena where you'd be conceivably be representing your employer or affecting your employees.
So if an employer found out that I an employee was in the KKK via an anonymous video tip, they couldn't do anything because it's away from work, they couldn't do anything
Wrong...if your employer is at will he can fire you for no reason at all...now if your employer is an just cause employer than he couldn't fire you for that unless he could tie it into a hostile work environment or another legitimate reason. -
If they make everyone on the Clippers free agents then the Clippers are about to look like Death Row after 96' status
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