"Even if I say yes, it doesn't mean I mean yes" - Feminists
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desertrain10 wrote: »Smh
We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility
Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate
At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies
I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist
With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?
As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration
Op clearly states there are certain feminists supporting this idea
Never said it was all or that these groups are a representative sample
You make little sense when you say that feminism has a variety of conflicting views and many broad ideologies yet denounce the extremists as people trying to hijack the term
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? I feel your pain brother. An hour before I had to get up for work one of the most traumatizing acts in my life happened. I awoke and my girlfriend was on top having her way with me. I grabbed her and she held my arms down and laughed. CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS? She's just laughing and not even thinking about having her boyfriends consent. My girlfriend ? me and she just laughed about it.Will Munny wrote: »I was watching a movie with a bish, didn't really wanna do anything with her she wasn't that cute, she reached down my pants and started jerking me off! I never said yes! I got the ? dry wristy of my life against my will!
Don't get me started on how creepy it is whenever women come to the basketball courts. Me and the rest of the guys put our shirts on because we don't want to be objectified and hear all of those creepy yells. This one girl walked up on me and asked to touch my arms and stomach. I said no and she did it anyways and started giggling. I swear brother, women just can't admire shirtless sweaty men with nice bodies without being all............................EXTRA! They are sooooooooo thirsty, it's like they never seen a man before smh. Just don't know how to act.
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You dont get the hate?desertrain10 wrote: »Smh
We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility
Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate
At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies
I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist
With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?
As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration
Do you seriously think a feminist with your demeanor would last long in mainstream media? Do you think you're the norm in feminist culture?
Its not so much that there are ? feminists out there as there is no backlash by so-called "sane" women when their fellow feminist say stupid ? like "yes means no."
Where is the passionate criticism of those who have "hijacked" feminism? It's non-existent. -
You dont get the hate?desertrain10 wrote: »Smh
We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility
Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate
At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies
I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist
With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?
As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration
Do you seriously think a feminist with your demeanor would last long in mainstream media? Do you think you're the norm in feminist culture?
Its not so much that there are ? feminists out there as there is no backlash by so-called "sane" women when their fellow feminist say stupid ? like "yes means no."
Where is the passionate criticism of those who have "hijacked" feminism? It's non-existent.
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Angela Davis is a ? ... Why would a straight woman be inspired by a ? ? What could she possibly have to say about feminity when she ain't even a real woman herself?
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@desertrain10 Can you name one feminist argument, precept or claim of the last thirty years that actually held up to scrutiny?
Seems like every feminist argument is just full of ? on close examination.
So when you say not all feminists I call ? . Cuz y'all ? were straight riding on ? with flawed data no ? given. -
This reminds me of how a woman attacks a man and no women do/say anything about her behavior. But as soon as the man snaps all of a sudden they have lots to say and take action............................. ..... ...ON THE MAN!!!
You dont get the hate?desertrain10 wrote: »Smh
We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility
Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate
At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies
I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist
With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?
As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration
Do you seriously think a feminist with your demeanor would last long in mainstream media? Do you think you're the norm in feminist culture?
Its not so much that there are ? feminists out there as there is no backlash by so-called "sane" women when their fellow feminist say stupid ? like "yes means no."
Where is the passionate criticism of those who have "hijacked" feminism? It's non-existent.
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desertrain10 wrote: »Smh
We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility
Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate
At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies
I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist
With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?
As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration
Op clearly states there are certain feminists supporting this idea
Never said it was all or that these groups are a representative sample
You make little sense when you say that feminism has a variety of conflicting views and many broad ideologies yet denounce the extremists as people trying to hijack the term
Ok let's pretend like you aren't using this story to further cast feminism in a bad light
And there are misguided "feminist", and than there are the extremists who promote an agenda that does nothing to promote gender equality. And sets women against men in all spheres of life...it makes perfect sense to denounce said extremists who along with the media like to make the claim that they speak for all women/feminist
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desertrain10 wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »Smh
We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility
Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate
At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies
I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist
With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?
As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration
Op clearly states there are certain feminists supporting this idea
Never said it was all or that these groups are a representative sample
You make little sense when you say that feminism has a variety of conflicting views and many broad ideologies yet denounce the extremists as people trying to hijack the term
Ok let's pretend like you aren't using this story to further cast feminism in a bad light
And there are misguided "feminist", and than there are the extremists who promote an agenda that does nothing to promote gender equality. And sets women against men in all spheres of life...it makes perfect sense to denounce said extremists who along with the media like to make the claim that they speak for all women/feminist
How can there be a spectrum of "crazy extreme fems" to "not so crazy extreme fems" when you just said that essentially feminism on the whole has no real succinct set of rules or parameters or criteria to which they who claim it ..hold themselves accountable to?
That doesn't sound like it makes much sense ...if theres all types of ideas and interpretations of what feminism is ...how can anyone be considered extreme? wouldn't they all just be considered "feminist" ....at least according to your own breakdown ....?
Lets talk about it.
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Is @desertrain10 gonna act like I didn't just ask her a question and @ her in it?
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JDSTAYWITIT. wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »Smh
We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility
Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate
At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies
I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist
With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?
As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration
Op clearly states there are certain feminists supporting this idea
Never said it was all or that these groups are a representative sample
You make little sense when you say that feminism has a variety of conflicting views and many broad ideologies yet denounce the extremists as people trying to hijack the term
Ok let's pretend like you aren't using this story to further cast feminism in a bad light
And there are misguided "feminist", and than there are the extremists who promote an agenda that does nothing to promote gender equality. And sets women against men in all spheres of life...it makes perfect sense to denounce said extremists who along with the media like to make the claim that they speak for all women/feminist
How can there be a spectrum of "crazy extreme fems" to "not so crazy extreme fems" when you just said that essentially feminism on the whole has no real succinct set of rules or parameters or criteria to which they who claim it ..hold themselves accountable to?
That doesn't sound like it makes much sense ...if theres all types of ideas and interpretations of what feminism is ...how can anyone be considered extreme? wouldn't they all just be considered "feminist" ....at least according to your own breakdown ....?
Lets talk about it.
Maybe I'm not explaining myself properly ...
Again feminism is an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women. Its not a monolith. Its not a political party. Its not some sort of organization. We are unique individuals. What unites us is we want to empower women
Or, in other words, one cannot characterize a feminist’s philosophy or values based only on her feminist label. And vice versa. One cannot assume to know a person's philosophy or values based solely from her feminist label
Black feminist and white feminist often are at odds on many issues
When I refer to an extremist, I'm referring to an individual with extreme views that detract from the empowerment of women ...for example the "feminist" who criticized women for being homemakers should be denounced
Better yet I'm denouncing the popular narrative that feminist are a monolith of man hating crazies -
Some are though
Dworkin and Solanas were feminists
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1800skypager wrote: »Angela Davis is a ? ... Why would a straight woman be inspired by a ? ? What could she possibly have to say about feminity when she ain't even a real woman herself?
I don't know whether Angela Davis is a ? or not....but a lot of feminist doctrine is being pushed by ? who have a vitriolic hatred for men.
Most of their jargon seems to focus on male-bashing more than anything else. -
Independent of equal pay/workplace equality and suffrage and all that good stuff..I'm not exactly in love with feminism.
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Iheart~Cali wrote: »Independent of equal pay/workplace equality and suffrage and all that good stuff..I'm not exactly in love with feminism.
What about abortion rights, alimony, custody rights, lighter prison sentences, subsidized childcare, consent laws, and gender spheres? -
You dont get the hate?desertrain10 wrote: »Smh
We are all guilty of making hast generalizations at times, but the generalizing about feminism has reached an all time high... and so has the hostility
Yes there has been extremist out there who have tried to hijack the term...but sometimes I just don't get the hate
At the end of the day, feminism is not a political party or an organization like the naacp...its just an umbrella term for a range of views about injustices against women....though I and a another woman may label ourselves feminist, it is also possible and highly probable we share differing view points, ideologies
I myself have been highly inspired by the writings of angela davis ...my favorite feminist
With that said, besides the fact they are female students, why do you consider them to be representative of the feminist movement?
As far as consent goes, yes means yes...no means no....however silence doesn't necessarily mean 'yes' ... you have to take body language into consideration
Do you seriously think a feminist with your demeanor would last long in mainstream media? Do you think you're the norm in feminist culture?
Its not so much that there are ? feminists out there as there is no backlash by so-called "sane" women when their fellow feminist say stupid ? like "yes means no."
Where is the passionate criticism of those who have "hijacked" feminism? It's non-existent.
There seems to be no backlash, because not everyone is afforded a platform like the extremists many of whom are only feminist in name only
Its gotten to the point where many women who profess to believe in the tenets of gender equality, for instance, have even adopted new labels such as humanist because they did not want to be associated with the extremists and stereotyped
No I get the hate... rather i feel like its misplaced
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how long are men going to put up with these feminist and there ? . it pass time we put that ? in the ideological graveyard
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on the i.c. men feel like they're being oppressed by women and militant feminists pose a real threat to their lives. it's absurd.
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Get the ? outta here with contradicting ?
This is why some ? slap ? like this up with the quickness
Before being a "feminist", is something called being an adult
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@desertrain10 Can you name one feminist argument, precept or claim of the last thirty years that actually held up to scrutiny?
Seems like every feminist argument is just full of ? on close examination.
So when you say not all feminists I call ? . Cuz y'all ? were straight riding on ? with flawed data no ? given.
What are u asking of me exactly?
Are you saying we don't need feminism anymore? Obviously I couldn't disagree more
Abortion rights are constantly under threat, in the political arena women are drastically under represented, thousands of women are ? a year yet the conviction rate hovers around 7%, thousands of pregnant women are fired or forced to take unpaid leave from work after requesting such accommodations as a stool to sit on, or a change in schedule, woman are paid less for the same work, etc
That's only in America
Not to say the aforementioned are purely the result of sexism or discriminatory/ exclusionary practices, but they do play a prominent factor
Most importantly we need feminism , feminst voices to help empower young girls growing up in a soceity that places little value in a woman's aspirations beyond marriage, her intellect or her sexual agency. To inspire them to have confidence, ambitions worthy of their potential and a sense of their rights -
I feel sorry for the young males that have to grow up in the world with these stupid evil ? . Cuz most of them are too ? to slap her upside the head and reboot that ? 's system so she act right.
? out here snapping, hitting a ? and being ashamed of themselves afterward. That's how these hoes got out of control.
You let any group of ? get together and form thoughts without proper guidance and nothing good can come of it. You see a group of 3 or more females talking (about anything) and you have a handgun on you fire shots into the air to startle them. Break that ? up before somebody ? around and get killed over them ? and their bright dim ideas.
Lol @ this direct quote from the Real ? bible...
I haven't read the good book in a while now...shame on me. -
@desertrain10
I have three questions.
1. Where was all the "sane" black feminist when the "extreme" black feminist went on national T.V and embarrassed the movement and our race AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!!? Like somebody said already, didn't see too many of these "sane" black feminist denouncing them. We mostly seen "you go girl!, talk to'em!!!". Now this was the worst blow to "SANE" black feminist ever. How come you guys didn't ban together and expose these lunatic THOTS in "sane" feminist clothing? where's the "sane" black feminist N.B.C special?
2. Since a lot of positive gentlemen(such as myself) have a lot of the same views(some are completely stupid though) on female equality as you. Can a male be a feminist too?
3. How would you feel about men starting a "masculinist" movement. It would focus on how men are
- Treated unfairly by women when it comes to paying the bill/tab on a date
- Treated unfairly during a pregnancy and having little say in the matter
- Treated unfairly by the law compared to women
- Paying more for our car insurance than women
- Treated unfairly in a fight with a women(physical, mental, or emotional)
- Treated unfairly when it comes to child custody and child support
- Treated unfairly when it comes to sexual advances in any form towards a woman depending on how she's feeling
- Looked down upon by most women for not having a car or not having their own place
- Expected to keep a cool head while woman act a complete fool
- Expected to treat a woman like gold, chase them, and try to impress them instead of it being the other way around
- Painted as cheaters and dead beat parents. While females are painted as fragile victims and the strong/loyal half
- Having our maturity lowered beneath a woman's level of maturity. When we see everyday that this is far from the truth.
