"Even if I say yes, it doesn't mean I mean yes" - Feminists
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Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.
Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy
My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause
You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause
Methinks you've never been to college
I have two master degrees. there has always been patriarchy and benevolent sexism but it was not until the feminist movement in this nation that any laws were passed that in an attempt to fix these thought of wrongs more wrongs was created
What wrongs?
Alimony? That's a response to the rise in divorce
As are custody disputes
It's not just alimony and child support laws,it's the whole way of thinking that these birds have now that leads to all this ? .
Women are a minority in the legal system
They have far less impact than men and aside from those 2 things women aren't really favored in court -
Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.
Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy
My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause
You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause
Methinks you've never been to college
I have two master degrees. there has always been patriarchy and benevolent sexism but it was not until the feminist movement in this nation that any laws were passed that in an attempt to fix these thought of wrongs more wrongs was created
What wrongs?
Alimony? That's a response to the rise in divorce
As are custody disputes
It's not just alimony and child support laws,it's the whole way of thinking that these birds have now that leads to all this ? .
Women are a minority in the legal system
They have far less impact than men and aside from those 2 things women aren't really favored in court
They do the same crime and get less time -
Sophistry = the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.
Yet your argument is a false cause fallacy
My argument is not fallacy feminism did directly lead to changes. all this other yak yak you are running your mouth about talking about other factors look there are other factors in everything. but you eliminate them and support the once with the best chance of having a direct cause
You've done nothing to show how Feminism rather than patriarchy and benevolent sexism is the main cause
Methinks you've never been to college
I have two master degrees. there has always been patriarchy and benevolent sexism but it was not until the feminist movement in this nation that any laws were passed that in an attempt to fix these thought of wrongs more wrongs was created
What wrongs?
Alimony? That's a response to the rise in divorce
As are custody disputes
It's not just alimony and child support laws,it's the whole way of thinking that these birds have now that leads to all this ? .
Women are a minority in the legal system
They have far less impact than men and aside from those 2 things women aren't really favored in court
They do the same crime and get less time
That existed long before Feminism it's been like that since the lizzy Borden case
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Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal
Are you a male or a female, because I swear you argue like a female. Why you making up some kind of fake either or situation. I've said this whole time that women don't have the right to make this decision without including the man. I didn't say that men have the ultimate say. If the woman concludes after the discussion that she's getting the abortion, there really isn't anything the man can do. But he at least deserves the opportunity to make his case. And it's not even like it just benefits him because a lot of women regret having abortions for the rest of their lives. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal
Are you a male or a female, because I swear you argue like a female. Why you making up some kind of fake either or situation. I've said this whole time that women don't have the right to make this decision without including the man. I didn't say that men have the ultimate say. If the woman concludes after the discussion that she's getting the abortion, there really isn't anything the man can do. But he at least deserves the opportunity to make his case. And it's not even like it just benefits him because a lot of women regret having abortions for the rest of their lives.
I don't get it then
Desert rain says the woman has final say and you agree
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I don't get it then
Desert rain says the woman has final say and you agree
I never disagreed with that. I've always disagreed with the idea that some women have that men don't get any say. Some chicks will go get abortions without even telling the man they are pregnant. That is not right.
I also disagree with the idea that pregnancy being difficult is a good enough reason alone to warrant destroying the life that you created. If you don't want to have to deal with that difficulty, don't have sex. Isn't that the same thing we say to deadbeat dads? Why should pro-abortion women get any different treatment? -
Idk why yall goin bacc n for wit that bish...her arguments havent had a foundation since page 1...clearly omitting logic
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal
Wasn't sure what the convo was about until I read the bolded.
Is your argument that a man shouldn't have a say in abortion because he's not physically carrying the baby ? -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »I don't get it then
Desert rain says the woman has final say and you agree
I never disagreed with that. I've always disagreed with the idea that some women have that men don't get any say. Some chicks will go get abortions without even telling the man they are pregnant. That is not right.
I also disagree with the idea that pregnancy being difficult is a good enough reason alone to warrant destroying the life that you created. If you don't want to have to deal with that difficulty, don't have sex. Isn't that the same thing we say to deadbeat dads? Why should pro-abortion women get any different treatment?
Definite double standard there
ideally women can give up legal guardianship so men should have that right too if equality really is the goal
and in instances where she decides to keep it when he has legally withdrawn from parenthood then she bears the responsibility alone
if she does not want to do it without his contributions, both financial and parental, then she can abort it or put it up for adoption
but a lot of women aren't pushing for equality, just more power for their interest group -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal
Wasn't sure what the convo was about until I read the bolded.
Is your argument that a man shouldn't have a say in abortion because he's not physically carrying the baby ?
He can have a say
anyone can, freedom of speech entitles you to tell people wtf you think as long as it's not hate speech or breaking some other law
but it does not make sense for the man to get final say when the woman is the one most affected
not only prior to birth but typically the mother plays a far more active role in the child's life
with exceptions to fathers like Vibe -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal
Wasn't sure what the convo was about until I read the bolded.
Is your argument that a man shouldn't have a say in abortion because he's not physically carrying the baby ?
He can have a say
anyone can, freedom of speech entitles you to tell people wtf you think as long as it's not hate speech or breaking some other law
but it does not make sense for the man to get final say when the woman is the one most affected
not only prior to birth but typically the mother plays a far more active role in the child's life
with exceptions to fathers like Vibe
He should have a say though since he's gonna be responsible for said being tho. Shouldn't be able to have it both ways - he has no say in keeping it but has to support it, also has no say in aborting it but loses his kid. -
ain't nobody readin all that ?
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal
Wasn't sure what the convo was about until I read the bolded.
Is your argument that a man shouldn't have a say in abortion because he's not physically carrying the baby ?
He can have a say
anyone can, freedom of speech entitles you to tell people wtf you think as long as it's not hate speech or breaking some other law
but it does not make sense for the man to get final say when the woman is the one most affected
not only prior to birth but typically the mother plays a far more active role in the child's life
with exceptions to fathers like Vibe
I think you've been trying to come off as impartial in this thread but you're really just being as purposefully ignorant as desertretard. -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal
Wasn't sure what the convo was about until I read the bolded.
Is your argument that a man shouldn't have a say in abortion because he's not physically carrying the baby ?
He can have a say
anyone can, freedom of speech entitles you to tell people wtf you think as long as it's not hate speech or breaking some other law
but it does not make sense for the man to get final say when the woman is the one most affected
not only prior to birth but typically the mother plays a far more active role in the child's life
with exceptions to fathers like Vibe
I think you've been trying to come off as impartial in this thread but you're really just being as purposefully ignorant as desertretard.
Prove my ignorance -
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The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal
Wasn't sure what the convo was about until I read the bolded.
Is your argument that a man shouldn't have a say in abortion because he's not physically carrying the baby ?
He can have a say
anyone can, freedom of speech entitles you to tell people wtf you think as long as it's not hate speech or breaking some other law
but it does not make sense for the man to get final say when the woman is the one most affected
not only prior to birth but typically the mother plays a far more active role in the child's life
with exceptions to fathers like Vibe
I think you've been trying to come off as impartial in this thread but you're really just being as purposefully ignorant as desertretard.
Prove my ignorance
I have no desire to help you further derail this thread. Judging from your posts I'm sure that your life choices probably prove your ignorance well enough tho -
The Lonious Monk wrote: »Men don't bear the physical costs of reproduction, it makes no sense for them to dictate whether or not women ensure them
Word to the second sex
No one is saying anything about dictating. We're talking about men being included in on the conversation. Men don't bear the physical costs, but that's still their potential child that the woman is debating on whether she is going to destroy or not. And SMH @ you people putting a chick's physique and convenience for a 9 month stretch over a human life and if that should be some kind of "no brainer" type decision.
Whether or not a human life should be terminated at all is a different conversation
Pregnancy is physically debilitating
Ones capabilities and mobility are greatly affected by it
If a man says he wants to keep it, the woman wants to abort it and she's forced to keep it her fate is dictated by him
What solution do you provide for a stalemate when neither party can agree, Because as it stands it seems the only options are give the man final say or give the woman final say, yet nether are equal
Wasn't sure what the convo was about until I read the bolded.
Is your argument that a man shouldn't have a say in abortion because he's not physically carrying the baby ?
He can have a say
anyone can, freedom of speech entitles you to tell people wtf you think as long as it's not hate speech or breaking some other law
but it does not make sense for the man to get final say when the woman is the one most affected
not only prior to birth but typically the mother plays a far more active role in the child's life
with exceptions to fathers like Vibe
I think you've been trying to come off as impartial in this thread but you're really just being as purposefully ignorant as desertretard.
Prove my ignorance
I have no desire to help you further derail this thread. Judging from your posts I'm sure that your life choices probably prove your ignorance well enough tho
It seems like you've been offended and are now name calling
If I'm missing some important piece of this issue it would take little effort to show what it is
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If I'm offended its because intelligent posters are making intelligent posts that seem to be going over your head. I read the entire thread. At this point most of the things I could say would be redundant
I called you ignorant which is truly my opinion, not ad hominem -
Opinions without evidence are fairly meaningless
basically just feelings
Nothing went over my head
Zombie thinks correlation is causation and that there's some immense inequality in the legal system
yet provides no evidence to show that feminism has a causal relationship with legal precedents or any stats showing the inequality
Longer prison sentences are common knowledge but existed before feminism -
Opinions without evidence are fairly meaningless
basically just feelings
Nothing went over my head
Zombie thinks correlation is causation and that there's some immense inequality in the legal system
yet provides no evidence to show that feminism has a causal relationship with legal precedents or any stats showing the inequality
Longer prison sentences are common knowledge but existed before feminism
You're arguing against him in the exact same way that he's arguing against you. The difference is the evidence for his stance exists in all western countries
Sorry but I have absoluty 0 tolerance for people that wax obtuse about feminism or "feminist theory"(lol).
It's literally the opposite extreme of ? and it's just as deadly. It's a cancer to everything it touches -
Opinions without evidence are fairly meaningless
basically just feelings
Nothing went over my head
Zombie thinks correlation is causation and that there's some immense inequality in the legal system
yet provides no evidence to show that feminism has a causal relationship with legal precedents or any stats showing the inequality
Longer prison sentences are common knowledge but existed before feminism
You're arguing against him in the exact same way that he's arguing against you. The difference is the evidence for his stance exists in all western countries
Sorry but I have absoluty 0 tolerance for people that wax obtuse about feminism or "feminist theory"(lol).
It's literally the opposite extreme of ? and it's just as deadly. It's a cancer to everything it touches
That's still just correlation -
Pointing out logical fallacies is a valid way of arguing. However, I've found that online most of the people that resort that do so because they can't actually come up with a cogent argument of their own.
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Opinions without evidence are fairly meaningless
basically just feelings
Nothing went over my head
Zombie thinks correlation is causation and that there's some immense inequality in the legal system
yet provides no evidence to show that feminism has a causal relationship with legal precedents or any stats showing the inequality
Longer prison sentences are common knowledge but existed before feminism
You're arguing against him in the exact same way that he's arguing against you. The difference is the evidence for his stance exists in all western countries
Sorry but I have absoluty 0 tolerance for people that wax obtuse about feminism or "feminist theory"(lol).
It's literally the opposite extreme of ? and it's just as deadly. It's a cancer to everything it touches
That's still just correlation
And sometimes correlation should be heeded
