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Not stupid,because plenty of smart ppl are Christians.it's a cultural thing so it's not strange that many ppl follow religions.I get it,I just don't agree.
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Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »Black Christians no it was ours first we were Christians before the Europeans corrupted it, before the Catholic Church was a concept to be fractured, but Black Democrats on the other hand that is a whole different level of oxymoronic self defeatism...
It's a east African religion not west African or south African. You speak like the whole damn continent made it up.
So the region of Africa is Still Africa, Not Sure what the objective is by compartmentalizing it when the 1st Christian Churches can be Traced to Africa even though Yeshua's start was In the Middle eastern Countries the manifestation of a Church from his teaching and Philosophies came about in Africa thus a full Circle for the Abrahamic beliefs to the origin of Mankind...
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En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery. How ironic other Christians were the ones who crushed Nat Turner's failed revolt LOL.......
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do -
kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do
The American Christians who loved slavery and the Bible used and found plenty of Bible passages to support their deep love of slavery and the ? of their slaves. I'm sure one of the most popular passages in the Bible for American Christian slave owners was the part of the Bible where it demands that slaves ALWAYS obey their masters? I'm pretty sure American Christians got plenty of slave ass when they reminded their shackled and traumatized slaves that the Bible DEMANDS slaves obey them. How convenient the Bible also allows the beating of slaves too? No sex or ? for Master Whittleton? Well then a beating is Biblically supported, of course!!!
Don't act like American pastors and deacons didn't have plenty of slaves to ? and sell for a profit at will. The Bible at no point says slavery is bad and wrong. There is a reason Nat Turner was killed by his fellow Christians LOL HAHAHA, ahhhh the irony -
Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »Black Christians no it was ours first we were Christians before the Europeans corrupted it, before the Catholic Church was a concept to be fractured, but Black Democrats on the other hand that is a whole different level of oxymoronic self defeatism...
It's a east African religion not west African or south African. You speak like the whole damn continent made it up.
So the region of Africa is Still Africa, Not Sure what the objective is by compartmentalizing it when the 1st Christian Churches can be Traced to Africa even though Yeshua's start was In the Middle eastern Countries the manifestation of a Church from his teaching and Philosophies came about in Africa thus a full Circle for the Abrahamic beliefs to the origin of Mankind...
AFrica is damn continent not a region smh
NOt sure if I can say it slower in type but I will try as it is obvious some of you kats have reading deficiencies the region of Africa is not important as it is still Africa. Hopefully that helped if not it is what it is... -
It's quite interesting we're talking about Nat Turner and his rebellion in Virginia.....according to the law in Virginia during Nat Turner's time, only a Christian church warden could sell a slave after he or she ran away. Not a state official.....a Christian CHURCH official. That's how much Christian slave owners admired and loved the institution of slavery for so long, with great reason, the Bible supported them..........
http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/gaa_slavery.htm#douglass
Here is John Wesley on the Law in Virginia. (Note that the officials responsible for dealing with escaped slaves are not state officials, but Church officials):
The law of Virginia ordains, "That no slave shall be set free, under any pretence whatever, except for some meritorious services, to be adjudged and allowed by the governor and council:
And that where any slave shall be set free by his owner, otherwise than is herein directed, the church-wardens of the parish wherein such ? shall reside for the space of one month are hereby authorized and required, to take up and sell the said ? , by public outcry."
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kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do
The American Christians who loved slavery and the Bible used and found plenty of Bible passages to support their deep love of slavery and the ? of their slaves. I'm sure one of the most popular passages in the Bible for American Christian slave owners was the part of the Bible where it demands that slaves ALWAYS obey their masters? I'm pretty sure American Christians got plenty of slave ass when they reminded their shackled and traumatized slaves that the Bible DEMANDS slaves obey them. How convenient the Bible also allows the beating of slaves too? No sex or ? for Master Whittleton? Well then a beating is Biblically supported, of course!!!
Don't act like American pastors and deacons didn't have plenty of slaves to ? and sell for a profit at will. The Bible at no point says slavery is bad and wrong. There is a reason Nat Turner was killed by his fellow Christians LOL HAHAHA, ahhhh the irony
You know what ? I'm not going to deconstruct this ? for the 10th thousandth time. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do
The American Christians who loved slavery and the Bible used and found plenty of Bible passages to support their deep love of slavery and the ? of their slaves. I'm sure one of the most popular passages in the Bible for American Christian slave owners was the part of the Bible where it demands that slaves ALWAYS obey their masters? I'm pretty sure American Christians got plenty of slave ass when they reminded their shackled and traumatized slaves that the Bible DEMANDS slaves obey them. How convenient the Bible also allows the beating of slaves too? No sex or ? for Master Whittleton? Well then a beating is Biblically supported, of course!!!
Don't act like American pastors and deacons didn't have plenty of slaves to ? and sell for a profit at will. The Bible at no point says slavery is bad and wrong. There is a reason Nat Turner was killed by his fellow Christians LOL HAHAHA, ahhhh the irony
You know what ? I'm not going to deconstruct this ? for the 10th thousandth time.
And I know why....
Because you're scared to admit that the heads of Protestant and Catholic churches agreed for a thousand plus years, since the earliest days of Christianity, that the Bible supports slavery and the mistreatment of slaves. For all your talk, the reality shows that the Catholic and Protestant churches for a very, very long time agreed with me that the Bible completely sanctions slavery, under multiple conditions. It is what it is, history is not on your side.
I do admit many Christians eventually fought against slavery. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do
The American Christians who loved slavery and the Bible used and found plenty of Bible passages to support their deep love of slavery and the ? of their slaves. I'm sure one of the most popular passages in the Bible for American Christian slave owners was the part of the Bible where it demands that slaves ALWAYS obey their masters? I'm pretty sure American Christians got plenty of slave ass when they reminded their shackled and traumatized slaves that the Bible DEMANDS slaves obey them. How convenient the Bible also allows the beating of slaves too? No sex or ? for Master Whittleton? Well then a beating is Biblically supported, of course!!!
Don't act like American pastors and deacons didn't have plenty of slaves to ? and sell for a profit at will. The Bible at no point says slavery is bad and wrong. There is a reason Nat Turner was killed by his fellow Christians LOL HAHAHA, ahhhh the irony
You know what ? I'm not going to deconstruct this ? for the 10th thousandth time.
And I know why....
Because you're scared to admit that the heads of Protestant and Catholic churches agreed for a thousand plus years, since the earliest days of Christianity, that the Bible supports slavery and the mistreatment of slaves. For all your talk, the reality shows that the Catholic and Protestant churches for a very, very long time agreed with me that the Bible completely sanctions slavery, under multiple conditions. It is what it is, history is not on your side.
I do admit many Christians eventually fought against slavery.
No, you don't know why but i'll tell you why I don't want to have this discussion again for the 1000000000th time. It's because it produces nothing positive , you simple refuse to accept that the reality IS more complex than what you think it is. LIKE I'VE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES ALREADY Christians had slaves certain pastors in the past even had slaves HOWEVER the bible does not sanction any person being chattel.
and those Christians that had slaves it was not because of the bible because if it was they would have practiced slavery in the same way the Israelites did.
SMH.... You don't know what the ? you are talking about and you refuse to learn so there is very little I can do for you. -
Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »Black Christians no it was ours first we were Christians before the Europeans corrupted it, before the Catholic Church was a concept to be fractured, but Black Democrats on the other hand that is a whole different level of oxymoronic self defeatism...
It's a east African religion not west African or south African. You speak like the whole damn continent made it up.
So the region of Africa is Still Africa, Not Sure what the objective is by compartmentalizing it when the 1st Christian Churches can be Traced to Africa even though Yeshua's start was In the Middle eastern Countries the manifestation of a Church from his teaching and Philosophies came about in Africa thus a full Circle for the Abrahamic beliefs to the origin of Mankind...
AFrica is damn continent not a region smh
NOt sure if I can say it slower in type but I will try as it is obvious some of you kats have reading deficiencies the region of Africa is not important as it is still Africa. Hopefully that helped if not it is what it is...
At the end of the day, it's still planet Earth.
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kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do
The American Christians who loved slavery and the Bible used and found plenty of Bible passages to support their deep love of slavery and the ? of their slaves. I'm sure one of the most popular passages in the Bible for American Christian slave owners was the part of the Bible where it demands that slaves ALWAYS obey their masters? I'm pretty sure American Christians got plenty of slave ass when they reminded their shackled and traumatized slaves that the Bible DEMANDS slaves obey them. How convenient the Bible also allows the beating of slaves too? No sex or ? for Master Whittleton? Well then a beating is Biblically supported, of course!!!
Don't act like American pastors and deacons didn't have plenty of slaves to ? and sell for a profit at will. The Bible at no point says slavery is bad and wrong. There is a reason Nat Turner was killed by his fellow Christians LOL HAHAHA, ahhhh the irony
You know what ? I'm not going to deconstruct this ? for the 10th thousandth time.
And I know why....
Because you're scared to admit that the heads of Protestant and Catholic churches agreed for a thousand plus years, since the earliest days of Christianity, that the Bible supports slavery and the mistreatment of slaves. For all your talk, the reality shows that the Catholic and Protestant churches for a very, very long time agreed with me that the Bible completely sanctions slavery, under multiple conditions. It is what it is, history is not on your side.
I do admit many Christians eventually fought against slavery.
No, you don't know why but i'll tell you why I don't want to have this discussion again for the 1000000000th time. It's because it produces nothing positive , you simple refuse to accept that the reality IS more complex than what you think it is. LIKE I'VE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES ALREADY Christians had slaves certain pastors in the past even had slaves HOWEVER the bible does not sanction any person being chattel.
and those Christians that had slaves it was not because of the bible because if it was they would have practiced slavery in the same way the Israelites did.
SMH.... You don't know what the ? you are talking about and you refuse to learn so there is very little I can do for you.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, I've spoken to priests and pastors on this subject and I've left them tongue tied and looking silly in front of others. The passages of the Bible speak for themselves, why else did Christians LOVE those Bible passages for so long throughout history? Practicing slavery as the Israelites did would STILL mean beating slaves was okay, and would still mean the children of slaves are automatically slaves.
Christians for a THOUSAND PLUS years agreed the Bible supports slavery, otherwise Christians for a thousand plus years wouldn't have used the Bible to support their actions.
Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
--Maybe I should go over to Mexico or Nigeria and buy myself a few sex slaves and read Leviticus to them. I'd have a grand old time I bet. I can get them pregnant and create some more future sex slaves too! Wow, maybe I should turn into a Christian. -
Yes and only one race and we are all living in the Milky Way...Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »Black Christians no it was ours first we were Christians before the Europeans corrupted it, before the Catholic Church was a concept to be fractured, but Black Democrats on the other hand that is a whole different level of oxymoronic self defeatism...
It's a east African religion not west African or south African. You speak like the whole damn continent made it up.
So the region of Africa is Still Africa, Not Sure what the objective is by compartmentalizing it when the 1st Christian Churches can be Traced to Africa even though Yeshua's start was In the Middle eastern Countries the manifestation of a Church from his teaching and Philosophies came about in Africa thus a full Circle for the Abrahamic beliefs to the origin of Mankind...
AFrica is damn continent not a region smh
NOt sure if I can say it slower in type but I will try as it is obvious some of you kats have reading deficiencies the region of Africa is not important as it is still Africa. Hopefully that helped if not it is what it is...
At the end of the day, it's still planet Earth.
Instead of trying to disseminate and microcosm why not just own kats are picking and choosinf strawmen trying to deflect from the Fact and premise of the debate. I get a lot of you Kats hate religion and honestly I am not a fan of it either while at the same time I recognize the Philosophies, History, Social Institutions and Politics involved in all different Religions and how they apply to our worlds Culture. There are lessons to be learned past the misuse applied by those who have exploited and corrupted the written records but then again I am a glass half full person... -
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Jesus was a G. He was trying to ward people against swimming after eating as to avoid cramps. Only the son of ? Almighty could provide such advice. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do
The American Christians who loved slavery and the Bible used and found plenty of Bible passages to support their deep love of slavery and the ? of their slaves. I'm sure one of the most popular passages in the Bible for American Christian slave owners was the part of the Bible where it demands that slaves ALWAYS obey their masters? I'm pretty sure American Christians got plenty of slave ass when they reminded their shackled and traumatized slaves that the Bible DEMANDS slaves obey them. How convenient the Bible also allows the beating of slaves too? No sex or ? for Master Whittleton? Well then a beating is Biblically supported, of course!!!
Don't act like American pastors and deacons didn't have plenty of slaves to ? and sell for a profit at will. The Bible at no point says slavery is bad and wrong. There is a reason Nat Turner was killed by his fellow Christians LOL HAHAHA, ahhhh the irony
You know what ? I'm not going to deconstruct this ? for the 10th thousandth time.
And I know why....
Because you're scared to admit that the heads of Protestant and Catholic churches agreed for a thousand plus years, since the earliest days of Christianity, that the Bible supports slavery and the mistreatment of slaves. For all your talk, the reality shows that the Catholic and Protestant churches for a very, very long time agreed with me that the Bible completely sanctions slavery, under multiple conditions. It is what it is, history is not on your side.
I do admit many Christians eventually fought against slavery.
No, you don't know why but i'll tell you why I don't want to have this discussion again for the 1000000000th time. It's because it produces nothing positive , you simple refuse to accept that the reality IS more complex than what you think it is. LIKE I'VE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES ALREADY Christians had slaves certain pastors in the past even had slaves HOWEVER the bible does not sanction any person being chattel.
and those Christians that had slaves it was not because of the bible because if it was they would have practiced slavery in the same way the Israelites did.
SMH.... You don't know what the ? you are talking about and you refuse to learn so there is very little I can do for you.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, I've spoken to priests and pastors on this subject and I've left them tongue tied and looking silly in front of others. The passages of the Bible speak for themselves, why else did Christians LOVE those Bible passages for so long throughout history? Practicing slavery as the Israelites did would STILL mean beating slaves was okay, and would still mean the children of slaves are automatically slaves.
Christians for a THOUSAND PLUS years agreed the Bible supports slavery, otherwise Christians for a thousand plus years wouldn't have used the Bible to support their actions.
Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
--Maybe I should go over to Mexico or Nigeria and buy myself a few sex slaves and read Leviticus to them. I'd have a grand old time I bet. I can get them pregnant and create some more future sex slaves too! Wow, maybe I should turn into a Christian.
here we go again....... smh...... did you actually read that verse and put it into the context of your argument
you are such a stupid ignorant ? i've become tired of talking to you about religion.
who is that verse speaking to??? not christians and i'll say it again for the last time the bible does not accept and person being treated like chattel -
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Jesus was a G. He was trying to ward people against swimming after eating as to avoid cramps. Only the son of ? Almighty could provide such advice.
It was great advice for the time I guess. Although a random ? could also give the same advice.
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in all insincerity this is one of the biggest issues with church sermons of any faith that uses its sacred writings a a Thesaurus Dictionary hybrid and how people interpret the various holy books. A argument can be made for any thing if you randomly pick and choose statements/phrases from different points in any large book/manuscript. There is reason books have a linear story so that context and scope can be ascertained and when that is lost so is the point of the phrases statements framed to show it...kingblaze84 wrote: »[img]http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/cherrypicking-vengeful-? -skipping-put-to-sword-every-man-woman-flipping-pages-a-slave-shall-obey-flip-sent-two-she-bears-to-? -the-children-who-more-flipping-oh-good-listen-to-this-a.jpg[/img]
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The reason why pastors cherry pick is because they usually have no other choice, there is simply too much information with too much philosophical and metaphysical implications for them to tell you it all at once and to begin with most of them don't know or understand the bible beyond the base level anyway they won't get into the languages and cultural context of the time.
and that's just the religious aspect you ask them to get into the history and they cannot do it. -
Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »
in all insincerity this is one of the biggest issues with church sermons of any faith that uses its sacred writings a a Thesaurus Dictionary hybrid and how people interpret the various holy books. A argument can be made for any thing if you randomly pick and choose statements/phrases from different points in any large book/manuscript. There is reason books have a linear story so that context and scope can be ascertained and when that is lost so is the point of the phrases statements framed to show it...kingblaze84 wrote: »[img]http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/cherrypicking-vengeful-? -skipping-put-to-sword-every-man-woman-flipping-pages-a-slave-shall-obey-flip-sent-two-she-bears-to-? -the-children-who-more-flipping-oh-good-listen-to-this-a.jpg[/img]
I know the context of the Bible stories very well, and one thing I know for sure is that in any case, the Bible at no point says slavery is wrong or evil, although most of us would admit this today.
If one thinks slavery and the beating of slaves is perfectly fine, that's on them. But as someone who can clearly see how slavery has ? up many Black people for generations mentally, I have a very low respect for the Bible and what it stands for. The Bible supports too much wicked behavior for me to take it seriously, no coincidence some of the most evil people in history cherished the Bible so much. Christian slave owners didn't have to cherry pick the Bible on slavery, the Bible at NO point says it is wrong. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do
The American Christians who loved slavery and the Bible used and found plenty of Bible passages to support their deep love of slavery and the ? of their slaves. I'm sure one of the most popular passages in the Bible for American Christian slave owners was the part of the Bible where it demands that slaves ALWAYS obey their masters? I'm pretty sure American Christians got plenty of slave ass when they reminded their shackled and traumatized slaves that the Bible DEMANDS slaves obey them. How convenient the Bible also allows the beating of slaves too? No sex or ? for Master Whittleton? Well then a beating is Biblically supported, of course!!!
Don't act like American pastors and deacons didn't have plenty of slaves to ? and sell for a profit at will. The Bible at no point says slavery is bad and wrong. There is a reason Nat Turner was killed by his fellow Christians LOL HAHAHA, ahhhh the irony
You know what ? I'm not going to deconstruct this ? for the 10th thousandth time.
And I know why....
Because you're scared to admit that the heads of Protestant and Catholic churches agreed for a thousand plus years, since the earliest days of Christianity, that the Bible supports slavery and the mistreatment of slaves. For all your talk, the reality shows that the Catholic and Protestant churches for a very, very long time agreed with me that the Bible completely sanctions slavery, under multiple conditions. It is what it is, history is not on your side.
I do admit many Christians eventually fought against slavery.
No, you don't know why but i'll tell you why I don't want to have this discussion again for the 1000000000th time. It's because it produces nothing positive , you simple refuse to accept that the reality IS more complex than what you think it is. LIKE I'VE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES ALREADY Christians had slaves certain pastors in the past even had slaves HOWEVER the bible does not sanction any person being chattel.
and those Christians that had slaves it was not because of the bible because if it was they would have practiced slavery in the same way the Israelites did.
SMH.... You don't know what the ? you are talking about and you refuse to learn so there is very little I can do for you.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, I've spoken to priests and pastors on this subject and I've left them tongue tied and looking silly in front of others. The passages of the Bible speak for themselves, why else did Christians LOVE those Bible passages for so long throughout history? Practicing slavery as the Israelites did would STILL mean beating slaves was okay, and would still mean the children of slaves are automatically slaves.
Christians for a THOUSAND PLUS years agreed the Bible supports slavery, otherwise Christians for a thousand plus years wouldn't have used the Bible to support their actions.
Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
--Maybe I should go over to Mexico or Nigeria and buy myself a few sex slaves and read Leviticus to them. I'd have a grand old time I bet. I can get them pregnant and create some more future sex slaves too! Wow, maybe I should turn into a Christian.
here we go again....... smh...... did you actually read that verse and put it into the context of your argument
you are such a stupid ignorant ? i've become tired of talking to you about religion.
who is that verse speaking to??? not christians and i'll say it again for the last time the bible does not accept and person being treated like chattel
If you say so dum dum. Please name the Bible passages that indicate slavery and the beating of slaves is wrong.
I can wait. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do
The American Christians who loved slavery and the Bible used and found plenty of Bible passages to support their deep love of slavery and the ? of their slaves. I'm sure one of the most popular passages in the Bible for American Christian slave owners was the part of the Bible where it demands that slaves ALWAYS obey their masters? I'm pretty sure American Christians got plenty of slave ass when they reminded their shackled and traumatized slaves that the Bible DEMANDS slaves obey them. How convenient the Bible also allows the beating of slaves too? No sex or ? for Master Whittleton? Well then a beating is Biblically supported, of course!!!
Don't act like American pastors and deacons didn't have plenty of slaves to ? and sell for a profit at will. The Bible at no point says slavery is bad and wrong. There is a reason Nat Turner was killed by his fellow Christians LOL HAHAHA, ahhhh the irony
You know what ? I'm not going to deconstruct this ? for the 10th thousandth time.
And I know why....
Because you're scared to admit that the heads of Protestant and Catholic churches agreed for a thousand plus years, since the earliest days of Christianity, that the Bible supports slavery and the mistreatment of slaves. For all your talk, the reality shows that the Catholic and Protestant churches for a very, very long time agreed with me that the Bible completely sanctions slavery, under multiple conditions. It is what it is, history is not on your side.
I do admit many Christians eventually fought against slavery.
No, you don't know why but i'll tell you why I don't want to have this discussion again for the 1000000000th time. It's because it produces nothing positive , you simple refuse to accept that the reality IS more complex than what you think it is. LIKE I'VE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES ALREADY Christians had slaves certain pastors in the past even had slaves HOWEVER the bible does not sanction any person being chattel.
and those Christians that had slaves it was not because of the bible because if it was they would have practiced slavery in the same way the Israelites did.
SMH.... You don't know what the ? you are talking about and you refuse to learn so there is very little I can do for you.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, I've spoken to priests and pastors on this subject and I've left them tongue tied and looking silly in front of others. The passages of the Bible speak for themselves, why else did Christians LOVE those Bible passages for so long throughout history? Practicing slavery as the Israelites did would STILL mean beating slaves was okay, and would still mean the children of slaves are automatically slaves.
Christians for a THOUSAND PLUS years agreed the Bible supports slavery, otherwise Christians for a thousand plus years wouldn't have used the Bible to support their actions.
Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
--Maybe I should go over to Mexico or Nigeria and buy myself a few sex slaves and read Leviticus to them. I'd have a grand old time I bet. I can get them pregnant and create some more future sex slaves too! Wow, maybe I should turn into a Christian.
here we go again....... smh...... did you actually read that verse and put it into the context of your argument
you are such a stupid ignorant ? i've become tired of talking to you about religion.
who is that verse speaking to??? not christians and i'll say it again for the last time the bible does not accept and person being treated like chattel
If you say so dum dum. Please name the Bible passages that indicate slavery and the beating of slaves is wrong.
I can wait.
listen lil ? can you also not read???? i said i am not going there with you because i have answered that question for you already i've done so like 214345 times. It's tiring having to address the same thing to the same person every few weeks or months.
Exodus 21:16 Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »
in all insincerity this is one of the biggest issues with church sermons of any faith that uses its sacred writings a a Thesaurus Dictionary hybrid and how people interpret the various holy books. A argument can be made for any thing if you randomly pick and choose statements/phrases from different points in any large book/manuscript. There is reason books have a linear story so that context and scope can be ascertained and when that is lost so is the point of the phrases statements framed to show it...kingblaze84 wrote: »[img]http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/cherrypicking-vengeful-? -skipping-put-to-sword-every-man-woman-flipping-pages-a-slave-shall-obey-flip-sent-two-she-bears-to-? -the-children-who-more-flipping-oh-good-listen-to-this-a.jpg[/img]
I know the context of the Bible stories very well, and one thing I know for sure is that in any case, the Bible at no point says slavery is wrong or evil, although most of us would admit this today.
If one thinks slavery and the beating of slaves is perfectly fine, that's on them. But as someone who can clearly see how slavery has ? up many Black people for generations mentally, I have a very low respect for the Bible and what it stands for. The Bible supports too much wicked behavior for me to take it seriously, no coincidence some of the most evil people in history cherished the Bible so much. Christian slave owners didn't have to cherry pick the Bible on slavery, the Bible at NO point says it is wrong.
Of course it does not say it is wrong it gives examples throughout it of the Abrahamic descendants being slaves or owners, the time frame of its writing is one in which that was common place in the world. The problem with African Diaspora TransAtlantic Slavery is the racial pretenses that the "Cherry pickers" were using to make their argument for its institution. Some of the many lessons to be gleaned from biblical Literature is Historical Context and seeing how the conditions of the time impacted people when read in proper context you can learn lessons so those same conditions can be overcome or avoided. Those who do not Learn from the past are doomed to repeat it and those who blindly ignore the truths of yesterday based on others misuse of information are doing a equal disservice to all. The debate about lack of condemnation of slavery is missing the rest of the points showing the downsides of slavery through the linear stories with slavery being themes in. All that said fam Ultimately we can choose to soak up lessons and keep it moving without conforming to those who are stuck on the manipulating interpretation of the letter and thus missing the spirit and intent of the words...The reason why pastors cherry pick is because they usually have no other choice, there is simply too much information with too much philosophical and metaphysical implications for them to tell you it all at once and to begin with most of them don't know or understand the bible beyond the base level anyway they won't get into the languages and cultural context of the time.
and that's just the religious aspect you ask them to get into the history and they cannot do it.
I cannot rock with this ? I have read the bible front to back in its various different denominations Editions/versions(Apocrypha's included) 13 times since I was 9 and that answer is one commonly used to rationalize information manipulation. The bible and all Holy Books from any religion and all books of Philosophy from any school of thought and all history books are meant to be read in a linear fashion or the story the writers were originally telling are lost to lack of context, the practice of selecting phrases and verses out of the context of the books they come from is intentionally deceitful and done under the guise of infallibility of the words being abused by the deceivers...
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Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »Soloman_The_Wise wrote: »
in all insincerity this is one of the biggest issues with church sermons of any faith that uses its sacred writings a a Thesaurus Dictionary hybrid and how people interpret the various holy books. A argument can be made for any thing if you randomly pick and choose statements/phrases from different points in any large book/manuscript. There is reason books have a linear story so that context and scope can be ascertained and when that is lost so is the point of the phrases statements framed to show it...kingblaze84 wrote: »[img]http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/cherrypicking-vengeful-? -skipping-put-to-sword-every-man-woman-flipping-pages-a-slave-shall-obey-flip-sent-two-she-bears-to-? -the-children-who-more-flipping-oh-good-listen-to-this-a.jpg[/img]
I know the context of the Bible stories very well, and one thing I know for sure is that in any case, the Bible at no point says slavery is wrong or evil, although most of us would admit this today.
If one thinks slavery and the beating of slaves is perfectly fine, that's on them. But as someone who can clearly see how slavery has ? up many Black people for generations mentally, I have a very low respect for the Bible and what it stands for. The Bible supports too much wicked behavior for me to take it seriously, no coincidence some of the most evil people in history cherished the Bible so much. Christian slave owners didn't have to cherry pick the Bible on slavery, the Bible at NO point says it is wrong.
Of course it does not say it is wrong it gives examples throughout it of the Abrahamic descendants being slaves or owners, the time frame of its writing is one in which that was common place in the world. The problem with African Diaspora TransAtlantic Slavery is the racial pretenses that the "Cherry pickers" were using to make their argument for its institution. Some of the many lessons to be gleaned from biblical Literature is Historical Context and seeing how the conditions of the time impacted people when read in proper context you can learn lessons so those same conditions can be overcome or avoided. Those who do not Learn from the past are doomed to repeat it and those who blindly ignore the truths of yesterday based on others misuse of information are doing a equal disservice to all. The debate about lack of condemnation of slavery is missing the rest of the points showing the downsides of slavery through the linear stories with slavery being themes in. All that said fam Ultimately we can choose to soak up lessons and keep it moving without conforming to those who are stuck on the manipulating interpretation of the letter and thus missing the spirit and intent of the words...The reason why pastors cherry pick is because they usually have no other choice, there is simply too much information with too much philosophical and metaphysical implications for them to tell you it all at once and to begin with most of them don't know or understand the bible beyond the base level anyway they won't get into the languages and cultural context of the time.
and that's just the religious aspect you ask them to get into the history and they cannot do it.
I cannot rock with this ? I have read the bible front to back in its various different denominations Editions/versions(Apocrypha's included) 13 times since I was 9 and that answer is one commonly used to rationalize information manipulation. The bible and all Holy Books from any religion and all books of Philosophy from any school of thought and all history books are meant to be read in a linear fashion or the story the writers were originally telling are lost to lack of context, the practice of selecting phrases and verses out of the context of the books they come from is intentionally deceitful and done under the guise of infallibility of the words being abused by the deceivers...
You are correct but it's hard to teach people anything that way. what I basically said was that plenty faith leaders lack the skill necessary to teach.
For example if you want to teach me about Gideon the way you propose then that would be fine if we are just talking about a linear story.
but if you wanted to teach me a concept then you have to jump around in the text to show me why that Same concept relates to Gideon. -
kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »kingblaze84 wrote: »En-Fuego22 wrote: »Swiffness! wrote: »Ta-Nehisi Coates said it best: converting the slaves to Christianity was a MISTAKE. It gave them hope and inspiration. Nat Turner literally did what he did because he learned to read and picked up the Old Testament.
So being in slavery wasn't enough to ? whites? Like damn stop giving the bible credit for basic human instinct
Exactly, one can easily say the Bible supporting slavery was just as big a motivator for American Christian slave owners to KEEP slavery.
After all, we now know the Confederacy was made up of very religious Christians who loved and praised the Bible.
If slavery was supported by the bible and the white people who had slaves had them because they were devote christians then why didn't they practice slavery the way the bible told the ancient israelites to practice it???
you are talking out of your ass like you always do
The American Christians who loved slavery and the Bible used and found plenty of Bible passages to support their deep love of slavery and the ? of their slaves. I'm sure one of the most popular passages in the Bible for American Christian slave owners was the part of the Bible where it demands that slaves ALWAYS obey their masters? I'm pretty sure American Christians got plenty of slave ass when they reminded their shackled and traumatized slaves that the Bible DEMANDS slaves obey them. How convenient the Bible also allows the beating of slaves too? No sex or ? for Master Whittleton? Well then a beating is Biblically supported, of course!!!
Don't act like American pastors and deacons didn't have plenty of slaves to ? and sell for a profit at will. The Bible at no point says slavery is bad and wrong. There is a reason Nat Turner was killed by his fellow Christians LOL HAHAHA, ahhhh the irony
You know what ? I'm not going to deconstruct this ? for the 10th thousandth time.
And I know why....
Because you're scared to admit that the heads of Protestant and Catholic churches agreed for a thousand plus years, since the earliest days of Christianity, that the Bible supports slavery and the mistreatment of slaves. For all your talk, the reality shows that the Catholic and Protestant churches for a very, very long time agreed with me that the Bible completely sanctions slavery, under multiple conditions. It is what it is, history is not on your side.
I do admit many Christians eventually fought against slavery.
No, you don't know why but i'll tell you why I don't want to have this discussion again for the 1000000000th time. It's because it produces nothing positive , you simple refuse to accept that the reality IS more complex than what you think it is. LIKE I'VE TOLD YOU MANY TIMES ALREADY Christians had slaves certain pastors in the past even had slaves HOWEVER the bible does not sanction any person being chattel.
and those Christians that had slaves it was not because of the bible because if it was they would have practiced slavery in the same way the Israelites did.
SMH.... You don't know what the ? you are talking about and you refuse to learn so there is very little I can do for you.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, I've spoken to priests and pastors on this subject and I've left them tongue tied and looking silly in front of others. The passages of the Bible speak for themselves, why else did Christians LOVE those Bible passages for so long throughout history? Practicing slavery as the Israelites did would STILL mean beating slaves was okay, and would still mean the children of slaves are automatically slaves.
Christians for a THOUSAND PLUS years agreed the Bible supports slavery, otherwise Christians for a thousand plus years wouldn't have used the Bible to support their actions.
Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
--Maybe I should go over to Mexico or Nigeria and buy myself a few sex slaves and read Leviticus to them. I'd have a grand old time I bet. I can get them pregnant and create some more future sex slaves too! Wow, maybe I should turn into a Christian.
here we go again....... smh...... did you actually read that verse and put it into the context of your argument
you are such a stupid ignorant ? i've become tired of talking to you about religion.
who is that verse speaking to??? not christians and i'll say it again for the last time the bible does not accept and person being treated like chattel
If you say so dum dum. Please name the Bible passages that indicate slavery and the beating of slaves is wrong.
I can wait.
listen lil ? can you also not read???? i said i am not going there with you because i have answered that question for you already i've done so like 214345 times. It's tiring having to address the same thing to the same person every few weeks or months.
Exodus 21:16 Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.
One passage out of many that support slavery, but of course the Bible has a contradictory feel to it, which is another problem I and many have with the book.
As Soloman said though, there are stories that can be learned from in the Bible but as a rule book, you can excuse me for not taking it too seriously. If you enjoy the Bible good for you, but yeah I can read very well, I've read the Bible front to back at an early age. The more I read, the less I liked it but hey knock yourself out.
