A Serious Discussion About "African-American Culture"
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You THINK in English as a first language. How much African is in African American culture.....?
I wont even delve into religion or food. Other cornerstones of a culture.
African Americans did a rebuild a culture as best they could after slavery, but after black exploitation (70s), ? (80s), and the corporatization of hip hop (90s), most AA culture is controlled and marketed back to blacks to ADOPT for profit, not the best interest of the actual ppl.
Food for thought....
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OGClarenceBoddicker wrote: »FOH ? , ? don't know ? about African American culture
Like we needed some bare-footed island rats to help us do some ? we been doin for the last 400 ? years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRS62nccwmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvCCWcR5dM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNzKZ7lJRUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUqyZpfsUB0
Even if your argument was valid that's just music hip-hop is more than music.
Kool Herc said it himself that Hip Hop was goin on before he became a DJ, the whole jamaicans created hip hop thing is a misconception that has gotten WAY out of hand, absolutely nothing about hip hop is jamaican, Herc was influenced by African American Disco DJs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDnDFDUfwkU
African American break dancers, historically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-5VZHFTYLQ
The first rapper was an African American from the Bronx by way of South Carolina, Coke La Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqi-_g894ss
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25centsandwich wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »
I'd argue that AA are too closely related America and to far from its diverse African origins to have a true culture.
I would say AA culture is American culture.
Quoted for truth...
Honestly an AA from a suburb in Scottsdale, AZ has a completely different lifestyle than an AA in inner city Philly who has a different lifestyle than an AA in lower middle class Macon, GA....
Entertainment, clothing, cuisine, etc that is popular enough to reach all three has probably been so integrated by then it is now mainstream American culture at that point...
I wouldnt say that its a bad thing...the fact that african americans play such a major part in the culture of the most powerful and influential country on the face of the earth is pretty telling...
That said what binds the majority of black people is the general distrust of white americans (imo and i lived in seven US cities) and the inequality we face...
I give credit where is duo.This is the situation.U.S is the most influencial country on Earth because of it´s power.Thats the real fact.Now Black people in America can do so much more but don´t know it.But I must keep it 100 African Americans are great innovators. -
Hip-hop isn't African American it was created by Afro Caribbeans, Africanc americans and Puerto Ricans .
The artistic creations of African americans include jazz, blues, African American style gospel. African american folk music. African Americans have produced great writers and painters. African Americans have cultural expressions .
But a culture is more than just art it's a way of thinking and being and living.now do African American s have their own culture in that manner??? I'm not to sure about that.
The semantics of their descent doesn't change that hip hop is an AA culture. Defined, fueled, and dominated by what AA think and live. And to address your obvious disconnect from us, yes, we do have our own culture. We don't just do whatever white people or any other people do.
No it was not solely fueled by African americans NYC which is the place were hip-hop came together, here the black population is heavily west indian and has been for a long time.
The people making the music, playing the music and listening to the music were west Indian and African American. And hip-hop isn't just music anyway. And lol at the semantics of descent ? there is more than substantial proof to back up what I am saying. It's not my disconnect you need to worry about.
The fact that African americans can even question the Existence of their culture means you are ? Lost.
And I never said anything about white people
meanwhile the entire genre was fueled by music that came from AAs from the south, west, mid-west, and places known for northern soul like philly, just stop bro, you have reggae(which actually was influenced by AA music) toasting, dancehall and whatever else, just take that ? and be proud of your own culture -
OGClarenceBoddicker wrote: »OGClarenceBoddicker wrote: »FOH ? , ? don't know ? about African American culture
Like we needed some bare-footed island rats to help us do some ? we been doin for the last 400 ? yearshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRS62nccwmwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvCCWcR5dMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNzKZ7lJRUchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUqyZpfsUB0
Even if your argument was valid that's just music hip-hop is more than music.
Kool Herc said it himself that Hip Hop was goin on before he became a DJ, the whole jamaicans created hip hop thing is a misconception that has gotten WAY out of hand, absolutely nothing about hip hop is jamaican, Herc was influenced by African American Disco DJshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDnDFDUfwkU
African American break dancers, historicallyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-5VZHFTYLQ
The first rapper was an African American from the Bronx by way of South Carolina, Coke La Rockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqi-_g894ss
You are misrepresenting what I am saying. I never said Jamaicans created hip-hop. What I said was that African americans and west indians created hip-hop.
Which of course is more than music. break dancing is acrobatic dancing to break beats the dancing in that video is not break dancing.
And if you think otherwise you should know that for example the Chinese have been doing backflips to their own music for centuries. Does that mean they were break dancing -
And coke la rock wasn't really the first rapper he didn't really rap I find it ironic that you would claim him as being the first Rapper when what he really did was closer to Jamaican toasting and not rapping
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OGClarenceBoddicker wrote: »Hip-hop isn't African American it was created by Afro Caribbeans, Africanc americans and Puerto Ricans .
The artistic creations of African americans include jazz, blues, African American style gospel. African american folk music. African Americans have produced great writers and painters. African Americans have cultural expressions .
But a culture is more than just art it's a way of thinking and being and living.now do African American s have their own culture in that manner??? I'm not to sure about that.
The semantics of their descent doesn't change that hip hop is an AA culture. Defined, fueled, and dominated by what AA think and live. And to address your obvious disconnect from us, yes, we do have our own culture. We don't just do whatever white people or any other people do.
No it was not solely fueled by African americans NYC which is the place were hip-hop came together, here the black population is heavily west indian and has been for a long time.
The people making the music, playing the music and listening to the music were west Indian and African American. And hip-hop isn't just music anyway. And lol at the semantics of descent ? there is more than substantial proof to back up what I am saying. It's not my disconnect you need to worry about.
The fact that African americans can even question the Existence of their culture means you are ? Lost.
And I never said anything about white people
meanwhile the entire genre was fueled by music that came from AAs from the south, west, mid-west, and places known for northern soul like philly, just stop bro, you have reggae(which actually was influenced by AA music) toasting, dancehall and whatever else, just take that ? and be proud of your own culture
We aren't talking about music we are talking about culture and by the way the original form of reggae/Jamaican music come from mento And African drumming not really African American music. That infusion came much later
I know my culture you ? are the ones with the insecurity complex about your culture. -
OGClarenceBoddicker wrote: »Judge_Judah wrote: »yellowtapesport wrote: »
Eat a ? .
But I guess my issue is the fact that AA have no core, fundamental "culture" that we can call our own. Everything we hold on to stems from being enslaved, or we adopted it from others during that time.
Most ancient civilizations that evolves into the various cultures abroad have a core set of beliefs and customs. Rights of passage. Values and morals tied directly to who they are as a people....these things may have some degree of variance when you look at individuals, but there is always a source that these differences can be traced back to....
Can anyone point these things out for me in AA culture? Maybe I'm missing something.
You stupid muthafucka, every group in the world has a ? culture, even homeless people have their own culture, even if it is beggin for money, sleepin on the side walk, and eatin out of trash cans, its still a ? culture
Idk why muthafuckas from all over the world and even African Americans themselves are so hellbent on denying the existence of African American culture
I think Jono said that it depends on how you define culture earlier in the thread. But based on the this below, can you point out characteristics unique to AA culture? Because other than things developed out of necessity during slavery, I think most things have been lost...Culture is the characteristics and knowledge of a particular group of people, defined by everything from language, religion, cuisine, social habits, music and arts.
The Center for Advance Research on Language Acquisition goes a step further, defining culture as shared patterns of behaviors and interactions, cognitive constructs and understanding that are learned by socialization. Thus, it can be seen as the growth of a group identity fostered by social patterns unique to the group.
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@AggyAF
? what you said disproves itself because it's illogical.
The founders were west Indian but yet somehow hip-hop is only African American???? Lol does that make ? sense to you. And I'm talking about hip-hop your just speaking about the Music.
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African American Culture is an amalgam of the two cultures mentioned in the name. African culture is one of life, art, music, good cuisine, etc. All of those aspects we still maintain today, however, some we have lost. Many of us aren't as hospitable as our African counterparts, for example. We have created multiple genres of music, which is remarkable due to the complete lack of musical training many Blacks received in this country. Soul food has flavors that are easily superior to that bland ? that White Americans cook. That's due to African influences as well, particularly recreating the spice palette as best we could. Like Whites we are individualistic, so eating communally with our hands, like in Africa, isn't done anymore. We need knives & forks.
I think our culture aligns closely with Africa in the way we worship. The lively church services and soulful music that is known in the Black Churches is similar to African spiritual sessions. White churches are typically more formal and uptight. Typically throughout history whites didn't even want music in the church. It was considered devilish. In contrast Black People have put ? into every genre of music, which is probably why there is a gospel version of every genre.
The bagginess of our clothes is widely believed to be influenced by prison culture. However, the fact is that tight clothes are just uncomfortable. Most people wore robes & cloth until European contact. Our current Fashion sense is much like White people, and that's why it's so stupid. Who wears a three-piece suit in a tropical region? That ? is dumb. The point i'm trying to illustrate is that White people use culture-shaming tactics today to make us want to be like them. You have to dress like them, talk like them, act like them, etc. at the expense of your cultural identity. It's how our culture was influenced by White culture - which is really an oxymoron. Some is gone, some is still with us, but culture is an ever-evolving entity; it can be reclaimed, refined, and improved at any time. -
Hiphop is our culture, we created it. We took the rules of our hoods and living and crafted it to express our beliefs on what it means to be black and how u should move. The money has let it be taken away from us and bastardized into something that doesnt express us, but expresses money making trends. Money that doesnt make it back into the pockets of those that support it. And mostly goes to a select few, that stunt the idea of givin back through backpack, school supplies, and turkey giveaways.
Many dont invest in the same hoods that claim to hold dare to their heart. Rather feed the strip to a select group of goons who turn around wit those proceeds and pump the same death and destruction back into the hoods they claim to love. All for the love of trends and money. -
Bare foot island rats? UnnecessaryOGClarenceBoddicker wrote: »FOH ? , ? don't know ? about African American culture
Like we needed some bare-footed island rats to help us do some ? we been doin for
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You were Gods, now you are mere the lowest class. Wake up Gods and take dominion once again from the barbarians. Quit trying to save the fallen. Save yourself.
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There are very little things left over in African American culture thats African, it has all been destroyed. The only people who have been able to keep apart of Africa alive are the Gullah-Geechie people. The main element of African American music that is rooted in Africa is the Blues. Latin Americans are more African culturally than African Americans. The whites in the United States were more invested in breaking the slave, and that detailed removing the slave of their entire identity. The main element thats African about African Americans is their genetics, which is not something Latin Americans can claim. But y'all are mixing like crazy, so soon everything about Africa will soon be erased from your memories.
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There are very little things left over in African American culture thats African, it has all been destroyed. The only people who have been able to keep apart of Africa alive are the Gullah-Geechie people. The main element of African American music that is rooted in Africa is the Blues. Latin Americans are more African culturally than African Americans. The whites in the United States were more invested in breaking the slave, and that detailed removing the slave of their entire identity. The main element thats African about African Americans is their genetics, which is not something Latin Americans can claim. But y'all are mixing like crazy, so soon everything about Africa will soon be erased from your memories.
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Ajackson17 wrote: »There are very little things left over in African American culture thats African, it has all been destroyed. The only people who have been able to keep apart of Africa alive are the Gullah-Geechie people. The main element of African American music that is rooted in Africa is the Blues. Latin Americans are more African culturally than African Americans. The whites in the United States were more invested in breaking the slave, and that detailed removing the slave of their entire identity. The main element thats African about African Americans is their genetics, which is not something Latin Americans can claim. But y'all are mixing like crazy, so soon everything about Africa will soon be erased from your memories.
My grandfather is a Gullah Geechee.
Check this out:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0DGijYiGQU
Awesome! They have been the only African Americans who have been able to keep parts of African culture alive, theirs a lot of books and research studies on them and their connections to Africa. Genetically, they are also the most pure African Americans, they have very little non-black admixture from the studies I've read. Whites are now coming into their areas and buying out the land, so their culture is dying. On 23andme I'm sharing with a Gullah-Geechie person from Georgia his MTDNA and Y-chromosome both were matches in Mali. -
Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Nem-PNHLY
This is a clip of Ali Farka Toure mentioning the fact African Americans have lost their ethnicity, legends ect but not their music i.e the blues. I know in the times we live in we all love Hip-Hop but Black music is so much more... The Blues are the roots to it all. I wish we could all appreciate these art forms. It seems white males appreciate it more than most of our people in the times were living. -
OGClarenceBoddicker wrote: »FOH ? , ? don't know ? about African American culture
Like we needed some bare-footed island rats to help us do some ? we been doin for the last 400 ? yearshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRS62nccwmwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gvCCWcR5dMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNzKZ7lJRUchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUqyZpfsUB0
Prior to this thread, you have posted once since October. What made you wanna post in here?
Your SN doesn't look familiar either....
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Ajackson17 wrote: »There are very little things left over in African American culture thats African, it has all been destroyed. The only people who have been able to keep apart of Africa alive are the Gullah-Geechie people. The main element of African American music that is rooted in Africa is the Blues. Latin Americans are more African culturally than African Americans. The whites in the United States were more invested in breaking the slave, and that detailed removing the slave of their entire identity. The main element thats African about African Americans is their genetics, which is not something Latin Americans can claim. But y'all are mixing like crazy, so soon everything about Africa will soon be erased from your memories.
My grandfather is a Gullah Geechee.
Check this out:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0DGijYiGQU
Awesome! They have been the only African Americans who have been able to keep parts of African culture alive, theirs a lot of books and research studies on them and their connections to Africa. Genetically, they are also the most pure African Americans, they have very little non-black admixture from the studies I've read. Whites are now coming into their areas and buying out the land, so their culture is dying. On 23andme I'm sharing with a Gullah-Geechie person from Georgia his MTDNA and Y-chromosome both were matches in Mali.
Nice and I heard a lot of us came from Angola which my sister and I show more than 25% DNA from that area and if you know about the slave rebellions in 1731 they wouldn't even get any from there cause they couldn't break them. They killed their masters in the most horrific manner to show we ain't taking non of your ish. Plus, a lot of them were part of the warfare for hundreds of years in the Gullah community in Florida. We ain't no punks! -
Check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Nem-PNHLY
This is a clip of Ali Farka Toure mentioning the fact African Americans have lost their ethnicity, legends ect but not their music i.e the blues. I know in the times we live in we all love Hip-Hop but Black music is so much more... The Blues are the roots to it all. I wish we could all appreciate these art forms. It seems white males appreciate it more than most of our people in the times were living.
We kept a lot, but we didn't recognized it as our own since most of us don't do a comparative study of the differences between ideology of Europeans and African especially West African thinking model. I know there are tons of tribes with different unique flavors, but within the same area the same mindset still persists that the existential force exists in everything of it's creation and expands within it. The Orisha, Lwa, and even the Neteru and more have the same common basis that we see in the Twa people of Uganda who B Y-chromosomes are the precursors of the E Y-haplogroup. -
Ajackson17 wrote: »Ajackson17 wrote: »There are very little things left over in African American culture thats African, it has all been destroyed. The only people who have been able to keep apart of Africa alive are the Gullah-Geechie people. The main element of African American music that is rooted in Africa is the Blues. Latin Americans are more African culturally than African Americans. The whites in the United States were more invested in breaking the slave, and that detailed removing the slave of their entire identity. The main element thats African about African Americans is their genetics, which is not something Latin Americans can claim. But y'all are mixing like crazy, so soon everything about Africa will soon be erased from your memories.
My grandfather is a Gullah Geechee.
Check this out:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0DGijYiGQU
Awesome! They have been the only African Americans who have been able to keep parts of African culture alive, theirs a lot of books and research studies on them and their connections to Africa. Genetically, they are also the most pure African Americans, they have very little non-black admixture from the studies I've read. Whites are now coming into their areas and buying out the land, so their culture is dying. On 23andme I'm sharing with a Gullah-Geechie person from Georgia his MTDNA and Y-chromosome both were matches in Mali.
Nice and I heard a lot of us came from Angola which my sister and I show more than 25% DNA from that area and if you know about the slave rebellions in 1731 they wouldn't even get any from there cause they couldn't break them. They killed their masters in the most horrific manner to show we ain't taking non of your ish. Plus, a lot of them were part of the warfare for hundreds of years in the Gullah community in Florida. We ain't no punks!
Yeah, the Gullah wars which are often disguised as the Seminole wars.
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Ajackson17 wrote: »Ajackson17 wrote: »There are very little things left over in African American culture thats African, it has all been destroyed. The only people who have been able to keep apart of Africa alive are the Gullah-Geechie people. The main element of African American music that is rooted in Africa is the Blues. Latin Americans are more African culturally than African Americans. The whites in the United States were more invested in breaking the slave, and that detailed removing the slave of their entire identity. The main element thats African about African Americans is their genetics, which is not something Latin Americans can claim. But y'all are mixing like crazy, so soon everything about Africa will soon be erased from your memories.
My grandfather is a Gullah Geechee.
Check this out:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0DGijYiGQU
Awesome! They have been the only African Americans who have been able to keep parts of African culture alive, theirs a lot of books and research studies on them and their connections to Africa. Genetically, they are also the most pure African Americans, they have very little non-black admixture from the studies I've read. Whites are now coming into their areas and buying out the land, so their culture is dying. On 23andme I'm sharing with a Gullah-Geechie person from Georgia his MTDNA and Y-chromosome both were matches in Mali.
Nice and I heard a lot of us came from Angola which my sister and I show more than 25% DNA from that area and if you know about the slave rebellions in 1731 they wouldn't even get any from there cause they couldn't break them. They killed their masters in the most horrific manner to show we ain't taking non of your ish. Plus, a lot of them were part of the warfare for hundreds of years in the Gullah community in Florida. We ain't no punks!
Yeah, the Gullah wars which are often disguised as the Seminole wars.
Right, one of the Generals especially on his hometown city government webpage states his quote to the senate stating this is not a Indian war, but a ? war, and I repeat this is a ? war not an Indian war.
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Shizlansky wrote: »Judge_Judah wrote: »25centsandwich wrote: »desertrain10 wrote: »
I'd argue that AA are too closely related America and to far from its diverse African origins to have a true culture.
I would say AA culture is American culture.
Quoted for truth...
Honestly an AA from a suburb in Scottsdale, AZ has a completely different lifestyle than an AA in inner city Philly who has a different lifestyle than an AA in lower middle class Macon, GA....
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This is my point...
Do a lot of immigrants who come here speak their native language to their families also in the states?
Do they eat food they would eat in their native land?
Do they still practice customs and keep the the same morals they would in their native land?
I bet the answer to most of those questions is yes.
What about us AA?
First generation yea
Second and third generation no
I have to disagree with you here. Majority of the people I see and know teach their kids their native languages and traditions. For many 2nd and 3rd generation kids they have to learn it because that is the only way they can communicate with many of their first generation family members.
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On the topic of the blues and "? spirituals"...3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion. 4 How shall we sing the Lord'S song in a strange land? 5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning. 6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.
Ps 137:3-6
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In the words of Bobby Hemmitt ´´WE ARE GLOBAL PEOPLE´´.
