Hillary just MOLLYWOPPED Sanders with black voters lol damn
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We should all just get ready for a Trump presidency. Sounds like people will sit our if Bernie isn't the nominee. It'll be an interesting next 4 years, to say the least.
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The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later. -
The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated. -
Politician says anything to win elections *gasp* surprise surprise LOLOLOLOL.
People are interesting to me, it's almost the same issue with perceptions I see in entertainment. Where we know artists don't literally live their raps but when you find out it comes as a "shocker", the ones who get a pass are the ones people like.
Same goes for Hillary and Sanders. They're both saying anything to get elected. The funny thing about Hillary is yall gon have to vote her over Trump. Thank ? I don't live in America, but one thing I'll always admire about it is that in times of uncertainty yall can always put aside differences and do the right thing.
I'll take Scrillary over Trump all day.
I still can't believe Trump is real. -
What's ? up is Trump actually has a strong chance of winning against Hillary. Especially if Sanders doesn't drop out after tomorrow and continues barraging her. Trump and Bill Clinton used to be friends, I can only IMAGINE the dirt he has on Bill he's going to reveal to the world and embarrass Hillary with. Should make for good entertainment unfortunately.
If he doesn't make a ? joke at some point I'll be real surprised. -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Bruh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware of the history, the etymology, and definition of laissez faire. If you'd like to point to my "contradictions" we can discuss those as well as contextual clues, but I don't like playing semantics. We're both too bright for that ? . -
manofmorehouse wrote: »We should all just get ready for a Trump presidency. Sounds like people will sit our if Bernie isn't the nominee. It'll be an interesting next 4 years, to say the least.
Yeah' people are willing to cut off the nose to spite our collective face. There is too much at stake to abstain from voting during this election.
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What's ? up is Trump actually has a strong chance of winning against Hillary. Especially if Sanders doesn't drop out after tomorrow and continues barraging her. Trump and Bill Clinton used to be friends, I can only IMAGINE the dirt he has on Bill he's going to reveal to the world and embarrass Hillary with. Should make for good entertainment unfortunately.
I fully agree, there's even a report out there that says Trump can beat Hillary in New York, out of all places. I'm slowly getting ready for a Trump presidency, but Hillary to be fair, probably has a ton of dirt on Trump too. -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Bruh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware of the history, the etymology, and definition of laissez faire. If you'd like to point to my "contradictions" we can discuss those as well as contextual clues, but I don't like playing semantics. We're both too bright for that ? .
Saying that it doesn't exist but that crony capitalism is a derivative of it. I agree as of know it doesn't exist and that such a system would be utterly ? but there was a time when it was practice in American and it led to widespread abuse of individuals by companies and corporations. -
What's ? up is Trump actually has a strong chance of winning against Hillary. Especially if Sanders doesn't drop out after tomorrow and continues barraging her. Trump and Bill Clinton used to be friends, I can only IMAGINE the dirt he has on Bill he's going to reveal to the world and embarrass Hillary with. Should make for good entertainment unfortunately.
Trump has been married like 3 times, a proven adulter, changed his political party affiliation multiple times, and been sued for discrimination I think Bill Clinton will be fine in light of any possible Trump attack in regards to morality. -
What kills me is that donald trump is far from being a conservative which just goes to show you that a lot of these so called conservatives aren't really conservative and know not one ? about the ideology which means all these " conservatives" are actually just people who oppose the democrats but can give no coherent reason why
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The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Is that true? What about taxes, pollution laws, employee protection, etc? That's all FDR? -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Is that true? What about taxes, pollution laws, employee protection, etc? That's all FDR?
Pollution laws we don't see all the way til ? 1940. Federal water pollution act.
Employee protection doesn't kick in until 1940/50 ? i wanna say in 1926 I believe it was that year supreme Court declared minumum wage for women and children illegal smh.
As far as taxes goes what kind of taxes are you specifically asking about. Income taxes were collected buy highly debated and some refused to pay it til the 16th ammendment. Tariffs were the major thing back then.
What I meant as far as FDR is that he started to actual regulate business. He didn't allow monopoly and in a way got the ball moving on unions. Have to know that for a majority of early America history unions were despised and illegal
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The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Bruh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware of the history, the etymology, and definition of laissez faire. If you'd like to point to my "contradictions" we can discuss those as well as contextual clues, but I don't like playing semantics. We're both too bright for that ? .
Saying that it doesn't exist but that crony capitalism is a derivative of it. I agree as of know it doesn't exist and that such a system would be utterly ? but there was a time when it was practice in American and it led to widespread abuse of individuals by companies and corporations.
What I mean to say is that it's derivative of those ideas. Pardon if that was unclear.
It doesn't exist because it cant. If their was always a fair exchange of goods and services history wouldn't be rife with such inequity. Anyhow, I understand you.
We need the free market to check socialism. We need the government to check capitalism. Otherwise we end up with something untenable.
The end product of both seems to be the same, gross inequality. You can look to Russia on one end and America on the other as they have comparable inequity. -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Bruh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware of the history, the etymology, and definition of laissez faire. If you'd like to point to my "contradictions" we can discuss those as well as contextual clues, but I don't like playing semantics. We're both too bright for that ? .
Saying that it doesn't exist but that crony capitalism is a derivative of it. I agree as of know it doesn't exist and that such a system would be utterly ? but there was a time when it was practice in American and it led to widespread abuse of individuals by companies and corporations.
What I mean to say is that it's derivative of those ideas. Pardon if that was unclear.
It doesn't exist because it cant. If their was always a fair exchange of goods and services history wouldn't be rife with such inequity. Anyhow, I understand you.
We need the free market to check socialism. We need the government to check capitalism. Otherwise we end up with something untenable.
The end product of both seems to be the same, gross inequality. You can look to Russia on one end and America on the other as they have comparable inequity.
I agree with that but at the same time am weary of that line of thinking. No economic system can truly create a completely equal society. Not saying you are suggesting that just that overall alot of other people tend to think pure capitalism or communism/socialism will solve every problem and it just won't -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Bruh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware of the history, the etymology, and definition of laissez faire. If you'd like to point to my "contradictions" we can discuss those as well as contextual clues, but I don't like playing semantics. We're both too bright for that ? .
Saying that it doesn't exist but that crony capitalism is a derivative of it. I agree as of know it doesn't exist and that such a system would be utterly ? but there was a time when it was practice in American and it led to widespread abuse of individuals by companies and corporations.
What I mean to say is that it's derivative of those ideas. Pardon if that was unclear.
It doesn't exist because it cant. If their was always a fair exchange of goods and services history wouldn't be rife with such inequity. Anyhow, I understand you.
We need the free market to check socialism. We need the government to check capitalism. Otherwise we end up with something untenable.
The end product of both seems to be the same, gross inequality. You can look to Russia on one end and America on the other as they have comparable inequity.
I agree with that but at the same time am weary of that line of thinking. No economic system can truly create a completely equal society. Not saying you are suggesting that just that overall alot of other people tend to think pure capitalism or communism/socialism will solve every problem and it just won't
I think that depends on the country's size. In America you're probably right, but in a country of >10 million socialism tends to produce much better results -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Bruh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware of the history, the etymology, and definition of laissez faire. If you'd like to point to my "contradictions" we can discuss those as well as contextual clues, but I don't like playing semantics. We're both too bright for that ? .
Saying that it doesn't exist but that crony capitalism is a derivative of it. I agree as of know it doesn't exist and that such a system would be utterly ? but there was a time when it was practice in American and it led to widespread abuse of individuals by companies and corporations.
What I mean to say is that it's derivative of those ideas. Pardon if that was unclear.
It doesn't exist because it cant. If their was always a fair exchange of goods and services history wouldn't be rife with such inequity. Anyhow, I understand you.
We need the free market to check socialism. We need the government to check capitalism. Otherwise we end up with something untenable.
The end product of both seems to be the same, gross inequality. You can look to Russia on one end and America on the other as they have comparable inequity.
I agree with that but at the same time am weary of that line of thinking. No economic system can truly create a completely equal society. Not saying you are suggesting that just that overall alot of other people tend to think pure capitalism or communism/socialism will solve every problem and it just won't
I think that depends on the country's size. In America you're probably right, but in a country of >10 million socialism tends to produce much better results
I'm highly sceptical of that but do you have any particular country in mind to back up that claim? -
? better not name Canada or Switzerland SMMFH
How he worded it thought might not necessarily mean economic. Could be speaking on a social aspect but ultimately to me regulated capitalism allows the greatest freedom of class movement -
I hate when people hear the word,socialismthey automatically think Communism, Leninism, or Stalinism. That's not how socialism works. And I don't see why market intervention from the government is a bad thing.
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The_Jackal wrote: »
See, this is how it should work in theory, but humans have ? it all up -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Bruh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware of the history, the etymology, and definition of laissez faire. If you'd like to point to my "contradictions" we can discuss those as well as contextual clues, but I don't like playing semantics. We're both too bright for that ? .
Saying that it doesn't exist but that crony capitalism is a derivative of it. I agree as of know it doesn't exist and that such a system would be utterly ? but there was a time when it was practice in American and it led to widespread abuse of individuals by companies and corporations.
What I mean to say is that it's derivative of those ideas. Pardon if that was unclear.
It doesn't exist because it cant. If their was always a fair exchange of goods and services history wouldn't be rife with such inequity. Anyhow, I understand you.
We need the free market to check socialism. We need the government to check capitalism. Otherwise we end up with something untenable.
The end product of both seems to be the same, gross inequality. You can look to Russia on one end and America on the other as they have comparable inequity.
I agree with that but at the same time am weary of that line of thinking. No economic system can truly create a completely equal society. Not saying you are suggesting that just that overall alot of other people tend to think pure capitalism or communism/socialism will solve every problem and it just won't
I think that depends on the country's size. In America you're probably right, but in a country of >10 million socialism tends to produce much better results
I'm highly sceptical of that but do you have any particular country in mind to back up that claim?
Denmark? -
CashmoneyDux wrote: »I hate when people hear the word,socialismthey automatically think Communism, Leninism, or Stalinism. That's not how socialism works. And I don't see why market intervention from the government is a bad thing.
Communism and socialism are for all purpose the same thing except in socilasim workers are paid and the government owns the property.
And when has socilasim or communism ever worked -
The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »Spoiler Alert: Laissez Faire capitalism doesn't exist: it never has and never will. The invisible hand of the free market and the free market in and of itself is idealist nonsense.
Crony capitalism is a direct result of laissez faire capitalism; E.g., deregulation and globalization. Crony capitalism is an inevitable outcome when capitalism is left unfettered. Everything is for sale (including politicians) because "things will take their course."
But they wont take their course.
We are not on an even playing field as evidenced by our current state of being, and profits are not an effective measure of social well being when they are obtained by creating unemployment and declining living standards in one's home country (as well as the countries they exploit). But, you know things will just take their course. They will trickle down right?
They haven't and they wont!
Adhering to the idea that a pure and unhindered form of capitalism or socialism is best - is stupid. It's 2016, how about some eclecticism?
The government is a tool we can use to reign in all that ? if we can muster the ? to start holding those who are culpable - responsible. But people are too complacent or too scared to lose their place at the kids table to do ? . Which is why there is so much opposition to democratic socialism.
Contradiction much. But laissez faire was prominent in the industrial age until FDE took a stand against Monopolies. I agree with your point though a pure capitalism or socialism/communism system is horrible in itself.
Thought the ideas of Democratic socialism that capitalism is overall incapable of valuing freedom is foolish.
Laissez faire is an idea man. When policies are derivative of laissez faire we see what happens.
I worked absurd hours yesterday, so I'll expound later.
Laissez faire literally letting things take there own course without government interference. That was literally happening in the USA until FDE was elected. Business was completly unregulated.
Bruh, I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm aware of the history, the etymology, and definition of laissez faire. If you'd like to point to my "contradictions" we can discuss those as well as contextual clues, but I don't like playing semantics. We're both too bright for that ? .
Saying that it doesn't exist but that crony capitalism is a derivative of it. I agree as of know it doesn't exist and that such a system would be utterly ? but there was a time when it was practice in American and it led to widespread abuse of individuals by companies and corporations.
What I mean to say is that it's derivative of those ideas. Pardon if that was unclear.
It doesn't exist because it cant. If their was always a fair exchange of goods and services history wouldn't be rife with such inequity. Anyhow, I understand you.
We need the free market to check socialism. We need the government to check capitalism. Otherwise we end up with something untenable.
The end product of both seems to be the same, gross inequality. You can look to Russia on one end and America on the other as they have comparable inequity.
I agree with that but at the same time am weary of that line of thinking. No economic system can truly create a completely equal society. Not saying you are suggesting that just that overall alot of other people tend to think pure capitalism or communism/socialism will solve every problem and it just won't
I think that depends on the country's size. In America you're probably right, but in a country of >10 million socialism tends to produce much better results
I'm highly sceptical of that but do you have any particular country in mind to back up that claim?
Denmark?
No. Denmark prime minister even spoke out about it because of Bernie. It's a market economy -
The_Jackal wrote: »CashmoneyDux wrote: »I hate when people hear the word,socialismthey automatically think Communism, Leninism, or Stalinism. That's not how socialism works. And I don't see why market intervention from the government is a bad thing.
Communism and socialism are for all purpose the same thing except in socilasim workers are paid and the government owns the property.
And when has socilasim or communism ever worked
see, this is wrong. Socialism does not remove private property rights, but everyone is under this assumption due to McCarthyism and American paranoia. -
CashmoneyDux wrote: »The_Jackal wrote: »CashmoneyDux wrote: »I hate when people hear the word,socialismthey automatically think Communism, Leninism, or Stalinism. That's not how socialism works. And I don't see why market intervention from the government is a bad thing.
Communism and socialism are for all purpose the same thing except in socilasim workers are paid and the government owns the property.
And when has socilasim or communism ever worked
see, this is wrong. Socialism does not remove private property rights, but everyone is under this assumption due to McCarthyism and American paranoia.
? I didn't say it removed property rights. The government owns the property and means of production. Where communism the workers control those meand. That's literally the main difference and still doesn't allow for any class movement. Never worked never will
