Multiple fatalities reported in England at stadium where Ariana Grande performed
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Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Was praying for a false flag but now people from my community have been pronounced dead, ? is just sad as ? man I really feel for all the victims and family.
See how dumb you idiots sound with that false flag ? ? Oh it's all so real now that u know the victims?
He is a ? idiot, whats new.
False flags do happen tho you dumb ? atleast I am smart enough to look through the evidence instead of swallowing all the information given to me and taking it as facts.
Provide proof
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiry2xlvgKQ
This video cites Boston as a "false-flag." I live outside of Boston. I had people who were hurt in the attack. I had ? idiots like you asking me for proof and offering me money on facebook.
I have a friend who is still recovering and still gets harassed by you "false-flag" low-lifes.
I honestly ? hate ya'll.
They need to take the internet away from you idiots, because you are not well and do not possess the necessary level of discernment to use it responsibly.
Is it not possible for your friend to tell lies? or you to tell lies? I am 30 years of age and one thing I have learned in my journey so far is that PEOPLE LIE! the truth is I will never truly know the truth about most things so I have decided to stop giving a ? and stop wasting my time focusing on the conspiracy ? , I will now devote my time to making the world a better place and speaking my truth.
You need serious help -
blue_london wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Was praying for a false flag but now people from my community have been pronounced dead, ? is just sad as ? man I really feel for all the victims and family.
See how dumb you idiots sound with that false flag ? ? Oh it's all so real now that u know the victims?
He is a ? idiot, whats new.
False flags do happen tho you dumb ? atleast I am smart enough to look through the evidence instead of swallowing all the information given to me and taking it as facts.
Provide proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiry2xlvgKQ
This video cites Boston as a "false-flag." I live outside of Boston. I had people who were hurt in the attack. I had ? idiots like you asking me for proof and offering me money on facebook.
I have a friend who is still recovering and still gets harassed by you "false-flag" low-lifes.
I honestly ? hate ya'll.
They need to take the internet away from you idiots, because you are not well and do not possess the necessary level of discernment to use it responsibly.
Is it not possible for your friend to tell lies? or you to tell lies? I am 30 years of age and one thing I have learned in my journey so far is that PEOPLE LIE! the truth is I will never truly know the truth about most things so I have decided to stop giving a ? and stop wasting my time focusing on the conspiracy ? , I will now devote my time to making the world a better place and speaking my truth.
You need serious help
Help with what? admitting I will never truly know the truth about some things? not letting my brain get lost in conspiracy theory no longer? -
Preach2Teach wrote: »blue_london wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Was praying for a false flag but now people from my community have been pronounced dead, ? is just sad as ? man I really feel for all the victims and family.
See how dumb you idiots sound with that false flag ? ? Oh it's all so real now that u know the victims?
He is a ? idiot, whats new.
False flags do happen tho you dumb ? atleast I am smart enough to look through the evidence instead of swallowing all the information given to me and taking it as facts.
Provide proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiry2xlvgKQ
This video cites Boston as a "false-flag." I live outside of Boston. I had people who were hurt in the attack. I had ? idiots like you asking me for proof and offering me money on facebook.
I have a friend who is still recovering and still gets harassed by you "false-flag" low-lifes.
I honestly ? hate ya'll.
They need to take the internet away from you idiots, because you are not well and do not possess the necessary level of discernment to use it responsibly.
Is it not possible for your friend to tell lies? or you to tell lies? I am 30 years of age and one thing I have learned in my journey so far is that PEOPLE LIE! the truth is I will never truly know the truth about most things so I have decided to stop giving a ? and stop wasting my time focusing on the conspiracy ? , I will now devote my time to making the world a better place and speaking my truth.
You need serious help
Help with what? admitting I will never truly know the truth about some things? not letting my brain get lost in conspiracy theory no longer?Preach2Teach wrote: »But the earth could be flat tho, I have watched a shitload of video's on the subject and they have some very good points.
U clearly get lost in conspiracy theories. -
Preach2Teach wrote: »blue_london wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Was praying for a false flag but now people from my community have been pronounced dead, ? is just sad as ? man I really feel for all the victims and family.
See how dumb you idiots sound with that false flag ? ? Oh it's all so real now that u know the victims?
He is a ? idiot, whats new.
False flags do happen tho you dumb ? atleast I am smart enough to look through the evidence instead of swallowing all the information given to me and taking it as facts.
Provide proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiry2xlvgKQ
This video cites Boston as a "false-flag." I live outside of Boston. I had people who were hurt in the attack. I had ? idiots like you asking me for proof and offering me money on facebook.
I have a friend who is still recovering and still gets harassed by you "false-flag" low-lifes.
I honestly ? hate ya'll.
They need to take the internet away from you idiots, because you are not well and do not possess the necessary level of discernment to use it responsibly.
Is it not possible for your friend to tell lies? or you to tell lies? I am 30 years of age and one thing I have learned in my journey so far is that PEOPLE LIE! the truth is I will never truly know the truth about most things so I have decided to stop giving a ? and stop wasting my time focusing on the conspiracy ? , I will now devote my time to making the world a better place and speaking my truth.
You need serious help
Help with what? admitting I will never truly know the truth about some things? not letting my brain get lost in conspiracy theory no longer?Preach2Teach wrote: »But the earth could be flat tho, I have watched a shitload of video's on the subject and they have some very good points.
U clearly get lost in conspiracy theories.
I admit that I do but lately I have been seeing things in a different light, some conspiracy theories are true IMO like I don't think we went to the moon and there was always 4 people in the JFK car! but I am not gonna be so fast to click that link on youtube any longer and I do see that most of it is ? to get clicks, this is not because of the bomb that went off the other day my mind was already changing before that, as always I will keep an open mind on everything tho. -
Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »blue_london wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Was praying for a false flag but now people from my community have been pronounced dead, ? is just sad as ? man I really feel for all the victims and family.
See how dumb you idiots sound with that false flag ? ? Oh it's all so real now that u know the victims?
He is a ? idiot, whats new.
False flags do happen tho you dumb ? atleast I am smart enough to look through the evidence instead of swallowing all the information given to me and taking it as facts.
Provide proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiry2xlvgKQ
This video cites Boston as a "false-flag." I live outside of Boston. I had people who were hurt in the attack. I had ? idiots like you asking me for proof and offering me money on facebook.
I have a friend who is still recovering and still gets harassed by you "false-flag" low-lifes.
I honestly ? hate ya'll.
They need to take the internet away from you idiots, because you are not well and do not possess the necessary level of discernment to use it responsibly.
Is it not possible for your friend to tell lies? or you to tell lies? I am 30 years of age and one thing I have learned in my journey so far is that PEOPLE LIE! the truth is I will never truly know the truth about most things so I have decided to stop giving a ? and stop wasting my time focusing on the conspiracy ? , I will now devote my time to making the world a better place and speaking my truth.
You need serious help
Help with what? admitting I will never truly know the truth about some things? not letting my brain get lost in conspiracy theory no longer?Preach2Teach wrote: »But the earth could be flat tho, I have watched a shitload of video's on the subject and they have some very good points.
U clearly get lost in conspiracy theories.
I admit that I do but lately I have been seeing things in a different light, some conspiracy theories are true IMO like I don't think we went to the moon and there was always 4 people in the JFK car! but I am not gonna be so fast to click that link on youtube any longer and I do see that most of it is ? to get clicks, this is not because of the bomb that went off the other day my mind was already changing before that, as always I will keep an open mind on everything tho.
Your first statement negates everything that follows after.
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So I am either a conspiracy theorist or I am not? there is no middle ground?
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PanchoYoSancho wrote: »fortyacres wrote: »
This is dumb as ? . This is like the Muslim telling the black dude he needs to put an end all the ? that goes on in the hood because he's black. Holding an entire group of people responsible for the actions of few is simple minded.
This is true..but people and choose when to apply that logic -
Preach2Teach wrote: »So I am either a conspiracy theorist or I am not? there is no middle ground?
there is a difference between healthy skepticism of government policy and blatant paranoia. The fact that you stated pretty much two of the biggest conspiracy theories out there that have been refuted and explained independently a million times over, shows were you at. Just because you dont understand how something works or the explanation doesn't mean its a conspiracy .
I always say, all of these conspiracy theories depend on the perpetrators being endlessly clever. I think you'll find the facts also work if you assume everyone is endlessly stupid.” -
You all know I'm a total conspiracy theorist but, when it come's to stuff like this it's insulting to tell someone that their family member didn't die.
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Yeah take that Alex Jones/Hotep stuff to the Social Lounge.
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Manchester attack: It is pious and inaccurate to say Salman Abedi's actions had 'nothing to do with Islam'
The attack on Manchester Arena – and those on the Bataclan and the Pulse nightclub before it – can trace their roots to the Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia. The UK and US governments just won’t admit it
Patrick Cockburn @indyworld Thursday 25 May 2017 09:32 BSTIn the wake of the massacre in Manchester, people rightly warn against blaming the entire Muslim community in Britain and the world. Certainly one of the aims of those who carry out such atrocities is to provoke the communal punishment of all Muslims, thereby alienating a portion of them who will then become open to recruitment by Isis and al-Qaeda clones.
This approach of not blaming Muslims in general but targeting “radicalisation” or simply “evil” may appear sensible and moderate, but in practice it makes the motivation of the killers in Manchester or the Bataclan theatre in Paris in 2015 appear vaguer and less identifiable than it really is. Such generalities have the unfortunate effect of preventing people pointing an accusing finger at the variant of Islam which certainly is responsible for preparing the soil for the beliefs and actions likely to have inspired the suicide bomber Salman Abedi.
The ultimate inspiration for such people is Wahhabism, the puritanical, fanatical and regressive type of Islam dominant in Saudi Arabia, whose ideology is close to that of al-Qaeda and Isis. This is an exclusive creed, intolerant of all who disagree with it such as secular liberals, members of other Muslim communities such as the Shia or women resisting their chattel-like status.
What has been termed Salafi jihadism, the core beliefs of Isis and al-Qaeda, developed out of Wahhabism, and has carried out its prejudices to what it sees as a logical and violent conclusion. Shia and Yazidis were not just heretics in the eyes of this movement, which was a sort of Islamic Khmer Rouge, but sub-humans who should be massacred or enslaved. Any woman who transgressed against repressive social mores should be savagely punished. Faith should be demonstrated by a public death of the believer, slaughtering the unbelievers, be they the 86 Shia children being evacuated by bus from their homes in Syria on 15 April or the butchery of young fans at a pop concert in Manchester on Monday night.
The real causes of “radicalisation” have long been known, but the government, the BBC and others seldom if ever refer to it because they do not want to offend the Saudis or be accused of anti-Islamic bias. It is much easier to say, piously but quite inaccurately, that Isis and al-Qaeda and their murderous foot soldiers “have nothing to do with Islam”. This has been the track record of US and UK governments since 9/11. They will look in any direction except Saudi Arabia when seeking the causes of terrorism. President Trump has been justly denounced and derided in the US for last Sunday accusing Iran and, in effect, the Shia community of responsibility for the wave of terrorism that has engulfed the region when it ultimately emanates from one small but immensely influential Sunni sect. One of the great cultural changes in the world over the last 50 years is the way in which Wahhabism, once an isolated splinter group, has become an increasingly dominant influence over mainstream Sunni Islam, thanks to Saudi financial support.
A further sign of the Salafi-jihadi impact is the choice of targets: the attacks on the Bataclan theatre in Paris in 2015, a ? night club in Florida in 2016 and the Manchester Arena this week have one thing in common. They were all frequented by young people enjoying entertainment and a lifestyle which made them an Isis or al-Qaeda target. But these are also events where the mixing of men and women or the very presence of ? people is denounced by puritan Wahhabis and Salafi jihadis alike. They both live in a cultural environment in which the demonisation of such people and activities is the norm, though their response may differ.
The culpability of Western governments for terrorist attacks on their own citizens is glaring but is seldom even referred to. Leaders want to have a political and commercial alliance with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf oil states. They have never held them to account for supporting a repressive and sectarian ideology which is likely to have inspired Salman Abedi. Details of his motivation may be lacking, but the target of his attack and the method of his death is classic al-Qaeda and Isis in its mode of operating.
The reason these two demonic organisations were able to survive and expand despite the billions – perhaps trillions – of dollars spent on “the war on terror” after 9/11 is that those responsible for stopping them deliberately missed the target and have gone on doing so. After 9/11, President Bush portrayed Iraq not Saudi Arabia as the enemy; in a re-run of history President Trump is ludicrously accusing Iran of being the source of most terrorism in the Middle East. This is the real 9/11 conspiracy, beloved of crackpots worldwide, but there is nothing secret about the deliberate blindness of British and American governments to the source of the beliefs that has inspired the massacres of which Manchester is only the latest – and certainly not the last – horrible example.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/manchester-attack-salman-abedi-salafi-jihadism-wahhabism-isis-al-qaeda-islam-muslim-suicide-bombing-a7754301.html -
Manchester attack: It is pious and inaccurate to say Salman Abedi's actions had 'nothing to do with Islam'
The attack on Manchester Arena – and those on the Bataclan and the Pulse nightclub before it – can trace their roots to the Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia. The UK and US governments just won’t admit it
Patrick Cockburn @indyworld Thursday 25 May 2017 09:32 BSTIn the wake of the massacre in Manchester, people rightly warn against blaming the entire Muslim community in Britain and the world. Certainly one of the aims of those who carry out such atrocities is to provoke the communal punishment of all Muslims, thereby alienating a portion of them who will then become open to recruitment by Isis and al-Qaeda clones.
This approach of not blaming Muslims in general but targeting “radicalisation” or simply “evil” may appear sensible and moderate, but in practice it makes the motivation of the killers in Manchester or the Bataclan theatre in Paris in 2015 appear vaguer and less identifiable than it really is. Such generalities have the unfortunate effect of preventing people pointing an accusing finger at the variant of Islam which certainly is responsible for preparing the soil for the beliefs and actions likely to have inspired the suicide bomber Salman Abedi.
The ultimate inspiration for such people is Wahhabism, the puritanical, fanatical and regressive type of Islam dominant in Saudi Arabia, whose ideology is close to that of al-Qaeda and Isis. This is an exclusive creed, intolerant of all who disagree with it such as secular liberals, members of other Muslim communities such as the Shia or women resisting their chattel-like status.
What has been termed Salafi jihadism, the core beliefs of Isis and al-Qaeda, developed out of Wahhabism, and has carried out its prejudices to what it sees as a logical and violent conclusion. Shia and Yazidis were not just heretics in the eyes of this movement, which was a sort of Islamic Khmer Rouge, but sub-humans who should be massacred or enslaved. Any woman who transgressed against repressive social mores should be savagely punished. Faith should be demonstrated by a public death of the believer, slaughtering the unbelievers, be they the 86 Shia children being evacuated by bus from their homes in Syria on 15 April or the butchery of young fans at a pop concert in Manchester on Monday night.
The real causes of “radicalisation” have long been known, but the government, the BBC and others seldom if ever refer to it because they do not want to offend the Saudis or be accused of anti-Islamic bias. It is much easier to say, piously but quite inaccurately, that Isis and al-Qaeda and their murderous foot soldiers “have nothing to do with Islam”. This has been the track record of US and UK governments since 9/11. They will look in any direction except Saudi Arabia when seeking the causes of terrorism. President Trump has been justly denounced and derided in the US for last Sunday accusing Iran and, in effect, the Shia community of responsibility for the wave of terrorism that has engulfed the region when it ultimately emanates from one small but immensely influential Sunni sect. One of the great cultural changes in the world over the last 50 years is the way in which Wahhabism, once an isolated splinter group, has become an increasingly dominant influence over mainstream Sunni Islam, thanks to Saudi financial support.
A further sign of the Salafi-jihadi impact is the choice of targets: the attacks on the Bataclan theatre in Paris in 2015, a ? night club in Florida in 2016 and the Manchester Arena this week have one thing in common. They were all frequented by young people enjoying entertainment and a lifestyle which made them an Isis or al-Qaeda target. But these are also events where the mixing of men and women or the very presence of ? people is denounced by puritan Wahhabis and Salafi jihadis alike. They both live in a cultural environment in which the demonisation of such people and activities is the norm, though their response may differ.
The culpability of Western governments for terrorist attacks on their own citizens is glaring but is seldom even referred to. Leaders want to have a political and commercial alliance with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf oil states. They have never held them to account for supporting a repressive and sectarian ideology which is likely to have inspired Salman Abedi. Details of his motivation may be lacking, but the target of his attack and the method of his death is classic al-Qaeda and Isis in its mode of operating.
The reason these two demonic organisations were able to survive and expand despite the billions – perhaps trillions – of dollars spent on “the war on terror” after 9/11 is that those responsible for stopping them deliberately missed the target and have gone on doing so. After 9/11, President Bush portrayed Iraq not Saudi Arabia as the enemy; in a re-run of history President Trump is ludicrously accusing Iran of being the source of most terrorism in the Middle East. This is the real 9/11 conspiracy, beloved of crackpots worldwide, but there is nothing secret about the deliberate blindness of British and American governments to the source of the beliefs that has inspired the massacres of which Manchester is only the latest – and certainly not the last – horrible example.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/manchester-attack-salman-abedi-salafi-jihadism-wahhabism-isis-al-qaeda-islam-muslim-suicide-bombing-a7754301.html
The UK, US, Canada etc all see that dust bowl country as an ally. All of these countries want to champion human rights, women rights etc but are allied with a country like Saudi Arabia. The ? country is a breeding ground for these terrorists.
They are all full of ? .
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Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Was praying for a false flag but now people from my community have been pronounced dead, ? is just sad as ? man I really feel for all the victims and family.
See how dumb you idiots sound with that false flag ? ? Oh it's all so real now that u know the victims?
He is a ? idiot, whats new.
False flags do happen tho you dumb ? atleast I am smart enough to look through the evidence instead of swallowing all the information given to me and taking it as facts.
Provide proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiry2xlvgKQ
This video cites Boston as a "false-flag." I live outside of Boston. I had people who were hurt in the attack. I had ? idiots like you asking me for proof and offering me money on facebook.
I have a friend who is still recovering and still gets harassed by you "false-flag" low-lifes.
I honestly ? hate ya'll.
They need to take the internet away from you idiots, because you are not well and do not possess the necessary level of discernment to use it responsibly.
Is it not possible for your friend to tell lies? or you to tell lies? I am 30 years of age and one thing I have learned in my journey so far is that PEOPLE LIE! the truth is I will never truly know the truth about most things so I have decided to stop giving a ? and stop wasting my time focusing on the conspiracy ? , I will now devote my time to making the world a better place and speaking my truth.
Why would I lie about that?
What would I have to gain?
Do you know how many people are at the marathon each year?
Do you know how difficult it would be stage something like that?
Has your perspective changed now that a similar atrocity has hit close to home?
Or do you believe that all the other attacks are false-flags? And real attacks only happen to you?
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Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Was praying for a false flag but now people from my community have been pronounced dead, ? is just sad as ? man I really feel for all the victims and family.
See how dumb you idiots sound with that false flag ? ? Oh it's all so real now that u know the victims?
He is a ? idiot, whats new.
False flags do happen tho you dumb ? atleast I am smart enough to look through the evidence instead of swallowing all the information given to me and taking it as facts.
Provide proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiry2xlvgKQ
This video cites Boston as a "false-flag." I live outside of Boston. I had people who were hurt in the attack. I had ? idiots like you asking me for proof and offering me money on facebook.
I have a friend who is still recovering and still gets harassed by you "false-flag" low-lifes.
I honestly ? hate ya'll.
They need to take the internet away from you idiots, because you are not well and do not possess the necessary level of discernment to use it responsibly.
Is it not possible for your friend to tell lies? or you to tell lies? I am 30 years of age and one thing I have learned in my journey so far is that PEOPLE LIE! the truth is I will never truly know the truth about most things so I have decided to stop giving a ? and stop wasting my time focusing on the conspiracy ? , I will now devote my time to making the world a better place and speaking my truth.
Why would I lie about that?
What would I have to gain?
Do you know how many people are at the marathon each year?
Do you know how difficult it would be stage something like that?
Has your perspective changed now that a similar atrocity has hit close to home?
Or do you believe that all the other attacks are false-flags? And real attacks only happen to you?
I never said the Boston bombing was a false flag, why do people lie about stupid ? all the time? I don't know how the mind of a psychopath works. -
Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Was praying for a false flag but now people from my community have been pronounced dead, ? is just sad as ? man I really feel for all the victims and family.
See how dumb you idiots sound with that false flag ? ? Oh it's all so real now that u know the victims?
He is a ? idiot, whats new.
False flags do happen tho you dumb ? atleast I am smart enough to look through the evidence instead of swallowing all the information given to me and taking it as facts.
Provide proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiry2xlvgKQ
This video cites Boston as a "false-flag." I live outside of Boston. I had people who were hurt in the attack. I had ? idiots like you asking me for proof and offering me money on facebook.
I have a friend who is still recovering and still gets harassed by you "false-flag" low-lifes.
I honestly ? hate ya'll.
They need to take the internet away from you idiots, because you are not well and do not possess the necessary level of discernment to use it responsibly.
Is it not possible for your friend to tell lies? or you to tell lies? I am 30 years of age and one thing I have learned in my journey so far is that PEOPLE LIE! the truth is I will never truly know the truth about most things so I have decided to stop giving a ? and stop wasting my time focusing on the conspiracy ? , I will now devote my time to making the world a better place and speaking my truth.
Why would I lie about that?
What would I have to gain?
Do you know how many people are at the marathon each year?
Do you know how difficult it would be stage something like that?
Has your perspective changed now that a similar atrocity has hit close to home?
Or do you believe that all the other attacks are false-flags? And real attacks only happen to you?
I never said the Boston bombing was a false flag, why do people lie about stupid ? all the time? I don't know how the mind of a psychopath works.
You posted a video to back your point about "false-flags." That same video, cited the marathon bombings as a false flag. I assumed you watched the video because you referenced it?
I'm going to to say this in the most respectful way I can, the above shows that you are clearly not filtering the information that you take in or put out. Consciously or subconsciously, you enjoy the delusions of grandeur that come with being a member of a self-appointed and exclusive group of 'truthers' that are essentially know nothings. This is not about truth, but your inability to differentiate self from other and accommodate for and assimilate new information. To this end, your 'trutherness' can be percieved as a lack of metacognition (thinking about your thoughts). Skepticism is healthy, but this behavior is not skepticism it is egotist paranoia.
People are not offended by your truth, they are startled by your ignorance and what many of us perceive as the requisite arrogance that comes with it.
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Manchester attack: It is pious and inaccurate to say Salman Abedi's actions had 'nothing to do with Islam'
The attack on Manchester Arena – and those on the Bataclan and the Pulse nightclub before it – can trace their roots to the Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia. The UK and US governments just won’t admit it
Patrick Cockburn @indyworld Thursday 25 May 2017 09:32 BSTIn the wake of the massacre in Manchester, people rightly warn against blaming the entire Muslim community in Britain and the world. Certainly one of the aims of those who carry out such atrocities is to provoke the communal punishment of all Muslims, thereby alienating a portion of them who will then become open to recruitment by Isis and al-Qaeda clones.
This approach of not blaming Muslims in general but targeting “radicalisation” or simply “evil” may appear sensible and moderate, but in practice it makes the motivation of the killers in Manchester or the Bataclan theatre in Paris in 2015 appear vaguer and less identifiable than it really is. Such generalities have the unfortunate effect of preventing people pointing an accusing finger at the variant of Islam which certainly is responsible for preparing the soil for the beliefs and actions likely to have inspired the suicide bomber Salman Abedi.
The ultimate inspiration for such people is Wahhabism, the puritanical, fanatical and regressive type of Islam dominant in Saudi Arabia, whose ideology is close to that of al-Qaeda and Isis. This is an exclusive creed, intolerant of all who disagree with it such as secular liberals, members of other Muslim communities such as the Shia or women resisting their chattel-like status.
What has been termed Salafi jihadism, the core beliefs of Isis and al-Qaeda, developed out of Wahhabism, and has carried out its prejudices to what it sees as a logical and violent conclusion. Shia and Yazidis were not just heretics in the eyes of this movement, which was a sort of Islamic Khmer Rouge, but sub-humans who should be massacred or enslaved. Any woman who transgressed against repressive social mores should be savagely punished. Faith should be demonstrated by a public death of the believer, slaughtering the unbelievers, be they the 86 Shia children being evacuated by bus from their homes in Syria on 15 April or the butchery of young fans at a pop concert in Manchester on Monday night.
The real causes of “radicalisation” have long been known, but the government, the BBC and others seldom if ever refer to it because they do not want to offend the Saudis or be accused of anti-Islamic bias. It is much easier to say, piously but quite inaccurately, that Isis and al-Qaeda and their murderous foot soldiers “have nothing to do with Islam”. This has been the track record of US and UK governments since 9/11. They will look in any direction except Saudi Arabia when seeking the causes of terrorism. President Trump has been justly denounced and derided in the US for last Sunday accusing Iran and, in effect, the Shia community of responsibility for the wave of terrorism that has engulfed the region when it ultimately emanates from one small but immensely influential Sunni sect. One of the great cultural changes in the world over the last 50 years is the way in which Wahhabism, once an isolated splinter group, has become an increasingly dominant influence over mainstream Sunni Islam, thanks to Saudi financial support.
A further sign of the Salafi-jihadi impact is the choice of targets: the attacks on the Bataclan theatre in Paris in 2015, a ? night club in Florida in 2016 and the Manchester Arena this week have one thing in common. They were all frequented by young people enjoying entertainment and a lifestyle which made them an Isis or al-Qaeda target. But these are also events where the mixing of men and women or the very presence of ? people is denounced by puritan Wahhabis and Salafi jihadis alike. They both live in a cultural environment in which the demonisation of such people and activities is the norm, though their response may differ.
The culpability of Western governments for terrorist attacks on their own citizens is glaring but is seldom even referred to. Leaders want to have a political and commercial alliance with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf oil states. They have never held them to account for supporting a repressive and sectarian ideology which is likely to have inspired Salman Abedi. Details of his motivation may be lacking, but the target of his attack and the method of his death is classic al-Qaeda and Isis in its mode of operating.
The reason these two demonic organisations were able to survive and expand despite the billions – perhaps trillions – of dollars spent on “the war on terror” after 9/11 is that those responsible for stopping them deliberately missed the target and have gone on doing so. After 9/11, President Bush portrayed Iraq not Saudi Arabia as the enemy; in a re-run of history President Trump is ludicrously accusing Iran of being the source of most terrorism in the Middle East. This is the real 9/11 conspiracy, beloved of crackpots worldwide, but there is nothing secret about the deliberate blindness of British and American governments to the source of the beliefs that has inspired the massacres of which Manchester is only the latest – and certainly not the last – horrible example.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/manchester-attack-salman-abedi-salafi-jihadism-wahhabism-isis-al-qaeda-islam-muslim-suicide-bombing-a7754301.html
This statement alone renders this article nothing but a short sighted rant.
Saudi Arabia as it pertains to Islam visa vi it's political and social behavior is the poorest representation one could find. Now the accusation of it being a terrorist spawning point. I don't buy for one minute.
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Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Preach2Teach wrote: »Was praying for a false flag but now people from my community have been pronounced dead, ? is just sad as ? man I really feel for all the victims and family.
See how dumb you idiots sound with that false flag ? ? Oh it's all so real now that u know the victims?
He is a ? idiot, whats new.
False flags do happen tho you dumb ? atleast I am smart enough to look through the evidence instead of swallowing all the information given to me and taking it as facts.
Provide proofhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiry2xlvgKQ
This video cites Boston as a "false-flag." I live outside of Boston. I had people who were hurt in the attack. I had ? idiots like you asking me for proof and offering me money on facebook.
I have a friend who is still recovering and still gets harassed by you "false-flag" low-lifes.
I honestly ? hate ya'll.
They need to take the internet away from you idiots, because you are not well and do not possess the necessary level of discernment to use it responsibly.
Is it not possible for your friend to tell lies? or you to tell lies? I am 30 years of age and one thing I have learned in my journey so far is that PEOPLE LIE! the truth is I will never truly know the truth about most things so I have decided to stop giving a ? and stop wasting my time focusing on the conspiracy ? , I will now devote my time to making the world a better place and speaking my truth.
Why would I lie about that?
What would I have to gain?
Do you know how many people are at the marathon each year?
Do you know how difficult it would be stage something like that?
Has your perspective changed now that a similar atrocity has hit close to home?
Or do you believe that all the other attacks are false-flags? And real attacks only happen to you?
I never said the Boston bombing was a false flag, why do people lie about stupid ? all the time? I don't know how the mind of a psychopath works.
You posted a video to back your point about "false-flags." That same video, cited the marathon bombings as a false flag. I assumed you watched the video because you referenced it?
I'm going to to say this in the most respectful way I can, the above shows that you are clearly not filtering the information that you take in or put out. Consciously or subconsciously, you enjoy the delusions of grandeur that come with being a member of a self-appointed and exclusive group of 'truthers' that are essentially know nothings. This is not about truth, but your inability to differentiate self from other and accommodate for and assimilate new information. To this end, your 'trutherness' can be percieved as a lack of metacognition (thinking about your thoughts). Skepticism is healthy, but this behavior is not skepticism it is egotist paranoia.
People are not offended by your truth, they are startled by your ignorance and what many of us perceive as the requisite arrogance that comes with it.
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"False flag" attacks don't guarantee anyone's safety. It's a means to an end. So just because you know someone that got hurt in a attack doesn't mean it wasn't a false flag attack. Ijs.
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Manchester attack: It is pious and inaccurate to say Salman Abedi's actions had 'nothing to do with Islam'
The attack on Manchester Arena – and those on the Bataclan and the Pulse nightclub before it – can trace their roots to the Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia. The UK and US governments just won’t admit it
Patrick Cockburn @indyworld Thursday 25 May 2017 09:32 BSTIn the wake of the massacre in Manchester, people rightly warn against blaming the entire Muslim community in Britain and the world. Certainly one of the aims of those who carry out such atrocities is to provoke the communal punishment of all Muslims, thereby alienating a portion of them who will then become open to recruitment by Isis and al-Qaeda clones.
This approach of not blaming Muslims in general but targeting “radicalisation” or simply “evil” may appear sensible and moderate, but in practice it makes the motivation of the killers in Manchester or the Bataclan theatre in Paris in 2015 appear vaguer and less identifiable than it really is. Such generalities have the unfortunate effect of preventing people pointing an accusing finger at the variant of Islam which certainly is responsible for preparing the soil for the beliefs and actions likely to have inspired the suicide bomber Salman Abedi.
The ultimate inspiration for such people is Wahhabism, the puritanical, fanatical and regressive type of Islam dominant in Saudi Arabia, whose ideology is close to that of al-Qaeda and Isis. This is an exclusive creed, intolerant of all who disagree with it such as secular liberals, members of other Muslim communities such as the Shia or women resisting their chattel-like status.
What has been termed Salafi jihadism, the core beliefs of Isis and al-Qaeda, developed out of Wahhabism, and has carried out its prejudices to what it sees as a logical and violent conclusion. Shia and Yazidis were not just heretics in the eyes of this movement, which was a sort of Islamic Khmer Rouge, but sub-humans who should be massacred or enslaved. Any woman who transgressed against repressive social mores should be savagely punished. Faith should be demonstrated by a public death of the believer, slaughtering the unbelievers, be they the 86 Shia children being evacuated by bus from their homes in Syria on 15 April or the butchery of young fans at a pop concert in Manchester on Monday night.
The real causes of “radicalisation” have long been known, but the government, the BBC and others seldom if ever refer to it because they do not want to offend the Saudis or be accused of anti-Islamic bias. It is much easier to say, piously but quite inaccurately, that Isis and al-Qaeda and their murderous foot soldiers “have nothing to do with Islam”. This has been the track record of US and UK governments since 9/11. They will look in any direction except Saudi Arabia when seeking the causes of terrorism. President Trump has been justly denounced and derided in the US for last Sunday accusing Iran and, in effect, the Shia community of responsibility for the wave of terrorism that has engulfed the region when it ultimately emanates from one small but immensely influential Sunni sect. One of the great cultural changes in the world over the last 50 years is the way in which Wahhabism, once an isolated splinter group, has become an increasingly dominant influence over mainstream Sunni Islam, thanks to Saudi financial support.
A further sign of the Salafi-jihadi impact is the choice of targets: the attacks on the Bataclan theatre in Paris in 2015, a ? night club in Florida in 2016 and the Manchester Arena this week have one thing in common. They were all frequented by young people enjoying entertainment and a lifestyle which made them an Isis or al-Qaeda target. But these are also events where the mixing of men and women or the very presence of ? people is denounced by puritan Wahhabis and Salafi jihadis alike. They both live in a cultural environment in which the demonisation of such people and activities is the norm, though their response may differ.
The culpability of Western governments for terrorist attacks on their own citizens is glaring but is seldom even referred to. Leaders want to have a political and commercial alliance with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf oil states. They have never held them to account for supporting a repressive and sectarian ideology which is likely to have inspired Salman Abedi. Details of his motivation may be lacking, but the target of his attack and the method of his death is classic al-Qaeda and Isis in its mode of operating.
The reason these two demonic organisations were able to survive and expand despite the billions – perhaps trillions – of dollars spent on “the war on terror” after 9/11 is that those responsible for stopping them deliberately missed the target and have gone on doing so. After 9/11, President Bush portrayed Iraq not Saudi Arabia as the enemy; in a re-run of history President Trump is ludicrously accusing Iran of being the source of most terrorism in the Middle East. This is the real 9/11 conspiracy, beloved of crackpots worldwide, but there is nothing secret about the deliberate blindness of British and American governments to the source of the beliefs that has inspired the massacres of which Manchester is only the latest – and certainly not the last – horrible example.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/manchester-attack-salman-abedi-salafi-jihadism-wahhabism-isis-al-qaeda-islam-muslim-suicide-bombing-a7754301.html
Saudi Arabia as it pertains to Islam visa vi it's political and social behavior is the poorest representation one could find. Now the accusation of it being a terrorist spawning point. I don't buy for one minute.
Your country deals in armed weaponry with Saudi in exchange for petroleum and secondly a couple of the hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi except you're one of those who claim it was an inside job... -
are there false flags? yes.
the problem? EVERYTHING is a false flag to most...
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KingFreeman wrote: »"False flag" attacks don't guarantee anyone's safety. It's a means to an end. So just because you know someone that got hurt in a attack doesn't mean it wasn't a false flag attack. Ijs.
Sure, you can have that. Something like that could have or has happened, but within the context of this thread, it has not been operationally defined that way by preach2teach. He believes a false flag is something that didn't actually happen. That noone was hurt. Read his posts. Moreover, in my experience with people like him they suggested that my friend(s) were not hurt in the marathon bombing, that it was all staged. It's complete nonsense.
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btw, that false flag video is exactly what it looks like..
A movie..
It's called Iraqi Hope for the Future or something like that.. the man who made it came out and said it's a movie and not a real car bomb..
it could be that he recreated the car bomb in the exactl location, as you can see the wall behind the car is already covered it black soot..
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BiblicalAtheist wrote: »It was on tv and how the tv says things happened, thats how it happened. right? Never question the tell a vision, some people get offended.
You just said nothing. You provided no substance, just some non-relative cliche.
When are you ? weirdos going to grow up?
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what doesn't add up, BA?
https://youtu.be/wHpK2JigLKw
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