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Shizlansky wrote: »So with LBJ elite fg% over the last 5 years is the greatest non big man of all time?
MJ > LBJ
What the hell are you talking about? -
TRILLip Brooks wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »So with LBJ elite fg% over the last 5 years is the greatest non big man of all time?
MJ > LBJ
What the hell are you talking about?
? dissing AI cuz of his FG%
? it. If you don't understand what I was saying I'm not explaining. -
Shizlansky wrote: »So with LBJ elite fg% over the last 5 years is the greatest non big man of all time?
MJ > LBJ
That's not the only factor though, this whole thing started with me saying Wade is better than Iverson and I listed a few things. The reason Dwyane Wade, but field goal percentage which is how offensive efficiency is graded. He also brought more to the table as a pure shooting guard than Iverson. I'll take a 6'4" all around player over a 5'10" shot machine who is a defensive liability on players at his position. Playing the passing lanes don't make you a good defender by the way. Lets not even get into intangibles, I think Jewels will lose that battle too.Dwyane Wade is better than Allen Iverson. The tipping point to me is field goal percentage and superior defense for wade, plus championships, one of which wade carried the team on his back and averaged 35 points(Shaq averaged 13 for those that will say he didn't carry them). I know Iverson led the league in steals, but that's not defending, that's a free safety. AI was a liability against good 2 guards in his career, thats why Mckie was so important. John stockton is the all time steals leader and that ? was gettin punished. Allen iverson simply was not as efficient as Wade. He was one of the most captivating, tough, courageous players of all time, but so was wade. Had Allen Iverson played point guard like he was supposed to, this may be a different conversation. At the 2, he just doesn't stand a chance against wade. -
TRILLip Brooks wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Kplaymaker88 wrote: »Lol at fieldgoal percentage being a factor in who is better but I agree wade is better than iverson
I'll take a 25ppg with 50% fgp over
30 ppg with a 40% fgp
Higher fgp means more efficient my g. Iverson was the 10-26est ass ? I have ever seen. Of course he gon drop 30 he shoot 30 times a game.
Ill take what I see, all im saying fg percentage is not a deciding factor one person might be a jump shooter another a slasher.. one might have shooters the other not so on and so forth
Where in my post did I say FG% was the deciding factor? Did I not mention him also being a better shooter, play maker and defender as well
Dwade is not a better shooter than ai.
Dwade has a great mid lost game but as a shooter nope.
Play making us debatable could be a tie.. they get assist but were they known for making plays there is a difference.. I do think wade was the mire willing passer though -
So how was A.I better than wade?
Besides being a better mid range shooter? -
So how was A.I better than wade?
Besides being a better mid range shooter?
I never said he was. -
Wade got 4 rings
But
Let's not active LBJ didn't drag his corpse to the last 3.
AI brought his team single handily to the finals once just like wade did.
And wade was never a contender after that first ring until LBJ got there.
Wade is slightly better then AI. They are basically in the same group. -
I'm just not understanding this Scottie Pippen disrespect ...people constantly have that selective amnesia when it comes to his career ...? act like the '94 season didn't exist when he lead the bulls to 57 wins after mike retires ...btw his retirement was late as ? right before training camp so it's not like they had the summer to try to replace him with some additional talent
That year Scottie as "the man" put up
22/9/6/3 on close to 50% shooting as well as being the leauges beat wing defender
He also won the Allstar MVP and finished 3rd in leauge MVP voting the year the dream won it
? makes no sense ..if you want to take him off the list you better be taking Kevin Mchales lanky ass off that list too since he played with 4 damn other HOFers on those 80's celtics teams
Mikan? Cousy? Both them coming off for dominating in a whitewashed ass watered down league -
Shizlansky wrote: »Wade got 4 rings
But
Let's not active LBJ didn't drag his corpse to the last 2 3.
AI brought his team single handily to the finals once just like wade did.
And wade was never a contender after that first ring until LBJ got there.
Wade is slightly better then AI. They are basically in the same group.
Wade has 3 titles.Iverson was never a contender after that 01 finals run he made it out the 1st round once after that. -
Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Wade got 4 rings
But
Let's not active LBJ didn't drag his corpse to the last 2 3.
AI brought his team single handily to the finals once just like wade did.
And wade was never a contender after that first ring until LBJ got there.
Wade is slightly better then AI. They are basically in the same group.
Wade has 3 titles.Iverson was never a contender after that 01 finals run he made it out the 1st round once after that.
He was lacking for two of them.
Dont act like you didn't see the games. -
My Next 10 List + 3Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Jason Kidd
Kevin Garnett
LBJ
Dwayne Wade
A.I.
Dominique Wilkins
Chris Webber
Kevin Durrant
Next 3
Dirk
Gary Payton
Paul Pierce -
Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Wade got 4 rings
But
Let's not active LBJ didn't drag his corpse to the last 2 3.
AI brought his team single handily to the finals once just like wade did.
And wade was never a contender after that first ring until LBJ got there.
Wade is slightly better then AI. They are basically in the same group.
Wade has 3 titles.Iverson was never a contender after that 01 finals run he made it out the 1st round once after that.
I mentioned that plenty of times but dudes glance over that, us real bball heads know wassup -
Shizlansky wrote: »Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Wade got 4 rings
But
Let's not active LBJ didn't drag his corpse to the last 2 3.
AI brought his team single handily to the finals once just like wade did.
And wade was never a contender after that first ring until LBJ got there.
Wade is slightly better then AI. They are basically in the same group.
Wade has 3 titles.Iverson was never a contender after that 01 finals run he made it out the 1st round once after that.
He was lacking for two of them.
Dont act like you didn't see the games.
I agree but Wade won a title and beasted that series in 06 he will always have that over iverson and if lebron didn't freeze up in '11 wade would have 2 finals mvp's -
TRILLip Brooks wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Kplaymaker88 wrote: »Lol at fieldgoal percentage being a factor in who is better but I agree wade is better than iverson
I'll take a 25ppg with 50% fgp over
30 ppg with a 40% fgp
Higher fgp means more efficient my g. Iverson was the 10-26est ass ? I have ever seen. Of course he gon drop 30 he shoot 30 times a game.
Ill take what I see, all im saying fg percentage is not a deciding factor one person might be a jump shooter another a slasher.. one might have shooters the other not so on and so forth
Where in my post did I say FG% was the deciding factor? Did I not mention him also being a better shooter, play maker and defender as well
So he wasn't a better shooter than Iverson and what are you basing this playmaking off of because it can't be assist where Iverson also has the advantage...that leaves your shaky "Wade was a better defender" argument
Ehhhhhhh Trillip looking shaky babyyy -
Wade won 3 tiitles playing with the 2 most dominating players of this era
What's the infatuation with this weirdo ? -
Lol...
Assist averages dont speak to playmaking ability -
I think that was my point but I digress
I'll wait for his response -
Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Wade got 4 rings
But
Let's not active LBJ didn't drag his corpse to the last 2 3.
AI brought his team single handily to the finals once just like wade did.
And wade was never a contender after that first ring until LBJ got there.
Wade is slightly better then AI. They are basically in the same group.
Wade has 3 titles.Iverson was never a contender after that 01 finals run he made it out the 1st round once after that.
He was lacking for two of them.
Dont act like you didn't see the games.
I agree but Wade won a title and beasted that series in 06 he will always have that over iverson and if lebron didn't freeze up in '11 wade would have 2 finals mvp's
Wade should have took over then. Dragged LBJ to the finish libe
LBJ dragged his corpse for the two other rings -
Wade is better but it's not that much of a difference. Same tier player.
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Shizlansky wrote: »Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Wade got 4 rings
But
Let's not active LBJ didn't drag his corpse to the last 2 3.
AI brought his team single handily to the finals once just like wade did.
And wade was never a contender after that first ring until LBJ got there.
Wade is slightly better then AI. They are basically in the same group.
Wade has 3 titles.Iverson was never a contender after that 01 finals run he made it out the 1st round once after that.
He was lacking for two of them.
Dont act like you didn't see the games.
I agree but Wade won a title and beasted that series in 06 he will always have that over iverson and if lebron didn't freeze up in '11 wade would have 2 finals mvp's
Wade should have took over then. Dragged LBJ to the finish libe
LBJ dragged his corpse for the two other rings
Damn no love for mike miller and Ray allen
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playmaker88 wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Tommy bilfiger wrote: »Shizlansky wrote: »Wade got 4 rings
But
Let's not active LBJ didn't drag his corpse to the last 2 3.
AI brought his team single handily to the finals once just like wade did.
And wade was never a contender after that first ring until LBJ got there.
Wade is slightly better then AI. They are basically in the same group.
Wade has 3 titles.Iverson was never a contender after that 01 finals run he made it out the 1st round once after that.
He was lacking for two of them.
Dont act like you didn't see the games.
I agree but Wade won a title and beasted that series in 06 he will always have that over iverson and if lebron didn't freeze up in '11 wade would have 2 finals mvp's
Wade should have took over then. Dragged LBJ to the finish libe
LBJ dragged his corpse for the two other rings
Damn no love for mike miller and Ray allen
I mean Kerr and Luc Longley don't get mentioned so they don't need to be either.
They played their roll. -
playmaker88 wrote: »Lol...
Assist averages dont speak to playmaking ability
Really?
So giving your teammate the ball in a situation where he can score isn't making a play?
Name me a 10 asst player that wasn't a "playmaker" ...since there is apparently no correlation this should be easy ...lol -
Over these insert player bs Wade arguments....? literally bring nothing to it but he got rings omitting who that ? was playing with
This ? won two titles with 2 top 15 players, that makes him better -
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JDSTAYWITIT. wrote: »playmaker88 wrote: »Lol...
Assist averages dont speak to playmaking ability
Really?
So giving your teammate the ball in a situation where he can score isn't making a play?
Name me a 10 asst player that wasn't a "playmaker" ...since there is apparently no correlation this should be easy ...lol
We are talking about wade and ai here either aaveraged 10 assist why are u stretching the parameters to 10 assist im just talking playmakingband I ididnt say zero correlation I also said there are passers and playmakers
