Teens film and laugh at drowning man instead of calling for help!
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Beyond ? up. But there's no duty to rescue in most states and I believe in Fla the good Samaritan statue simply removes liability for a rescue attempt gone awry.
1L year my both Torts and Criminal law classes discussed the Sherrice Iverson case. I don't know if anyone here is familiar with it. 20 years ago in a Vegas casino, a teenager ? a little black girl in a bathroom stall. He was charged and convicted and is still incarcerated (got life). His friend, David Cash Jr, "witnessed" (I believe, as do many others that he was a part of the crime, acting as a lookout) the crime and didn't report it, get a security guard, try to assist the little girl, nothing. His defense was that he had no obligation, legal or moral to help someone he didn't know.
He wasn't charged because at the time Nevada had no laws requiring bystanders to report crimes. Nevada passed a bill in 2000 requiring notification of law enforcement if a person suspects a minor is being sexually assaulted. California passed a similar law as well.
I don't know if FLA will do the same, but these kids could have called 911 for a paramedic and left instead of sitting and filming someone drowning... -
twentyfivelighters wrote: »Bystander effect mixed with peer pressure. Sad ? . Obviously they won't be charged but damn that's frustrating.
I wanna say it's the bystander effect aside for the fact that they were seemingly entertained and experiences some enjoyment. With the bystander effect, people freeze, go into shock, or they get scared to get involved, or they expect that someone else will get involved so they don't have to.
But they don't laugh. These ? was unbothered. -
twentyfivelighters wrote: »The question remains; Are the teens guilty of Criminal Negligence?
Criminal Negligence
The degree of culpability is determined by applying a reasonable person standard. Criminal negligence becomes "gross" when the failure to foresee involves a "wanton disregard for human life" (see the discussion in corporate manslaughter).
The maximum penalties for criminal negligence causing ? harm and death are 10 years (14 years if the conviction is for street racing causing ? harm) and life imprisonment, respectively.
IMO they could be charged with Criminal Negligence for not calling 911. Their family lost all contact of the victim and had gone days without seeing him. They (the family) reported him "missing". If the teens had called 911 at least the family would have known what happened to him.
They won't be charged. CNN confirmed this. Can't arrest someone for being an ? .
@twentyfivelighters they've been charged -
Just read they could be charged with a misdemeanor of not reporting a death.
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Its what happens when you get moral less people having babies by moral less people abd letting social media raise they kids
Most kids these days dont have real conversation with thier parents and thier inner soul compass derives from the internet -
It's a reckless, careless, heartless thing
BUT...
They would have had to endanger themselves in order to help him. Its different from seeing someone choking or something like that. I don't believe they should be charged.
They should be ridiculed and shamed for thinking its funny and recording it but charged? Nah. -
It's a reckless, careless, heartless thing
BUT...
They would have had to endanger themselves in order to help him. Its different from seeing someone choking or something like that. I don't believe they should be charged.
They should be ridiculed and shamed for thinking its funny and recording it but charged? Nah.
They didn't even attempt to call for help
After he drowned they walked away and continue to smoke weed.
His family reported him missing for 3 days -
Them kids ain't ? for not calling for help, but that's as far as I'm going with it.
He reportedly dragged himself there, knowing he couldn't swim? Why should someone risk their life for a ? who was probably suicidal from the jump?
Let's these kids are heartless for not even bothering to notify anyone, but let's put personal responsibility where it belongs, too. -
thegreatunknown wrote: »
His friend, David Cash Jr, "witnessed" (I believe, as do many others that he was a part of the crime, acting as a lookout) the crime and didn't report it, get a security guard, try to assist the little girl, nothing. His defense was that he had no obligation, legal or moral to help someone he didn't know.
He wasn't charged because at the time Nevada had no laws requiring bystanders to report crimes.
That sounds like an incompetent DA/prosecution more than anything.
Dude shouldn't have been considered a "bystander" if he was acting as a lookout. -
Ppl are more morally responsible than the past in opinion
Ppl use watch others get murder like it was nothing and over stupid ? much more way back when.
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Lets get something straight; Those teens had no obligation to jump in the water and try to save him, unless they were trained, licensed lifeguards. In fact, even if they were trained licensed lifeguards, unless they were ON DUTY, they had no obligation to jump in the water and try to save them.
But I feel that its Criminal Negligence because they watched a man drown and didn't call 911.
I understand that they weren't trained and didn't know how to save him (I'd bet most of the posters on the IC don't know how to save somebody from drowning) But all they had to do is call the police and tell them what happened. -
obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »twentyfivelighters wrote: »Bystander effect mixed with peer pressure. Sad ? . Obviously they won't be charged but damn that's frustrating.
I wanna say it's the bystander effect aside for the fact that they were seemingly entertained and experiences some enjoyment. With the bystander effect, people freeze, go into shock, or they get scared to get involved, or they expect that someone else will get involved so they don't have to.
But they don't laugh. These ? was unbothered.
Social media/internet has desensitized too many people to what they encounter offline. -
Lets get something straight; Those teens had no obligation to jump in the water and try to save him, unless they were trained, licensed lifeguards. In fact, even if they were trained licensed lifeguards, unless they were ON DUTY, they had no obligation to jump in the water and try to save them.
But I feel that its Criminal Negligence because they watched a man drown and didn't call 911.
I understand that they weren't trained and didn't know how to save him (I'd bet most of the posters on the IC don't know how to save somebody from drowning) But all they had to do is call the police and tell them what happened.
Why would they have to? -
I hope MFs ain't gettin behind any law that requires Black folks to call 911.
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We get it, they couldn't save him. Nonetheless, they could have called 9-1-1, and maybe they wouldn't have gotten there in time, but his poor family wouldn't be wondering what happened to this man for THREE sleepless days.
On another note, a dude I went to high school with was mentally disabled and went out like this a few years back, not sure what it is about the water, but I am guessing this man said ? it, I'm killing myself in a fit of rage and by the time he became lucid again, it was too late. RIP. -
Nah, they deserve jail time for that. To see them WATCH him die like that was harsh. I'd understand if you had just seen someone shot and you were in a panicked state or scared but to .... never mind.
Jail time maybe too harsh but they deserve some type of moral punishment for that. I honestly think this will haunt them once they realize the gravity of what they did or lack there of -
babelipsss wrote: »SMH. Unbelievably sad. I didn't watch the whole vid but I read the link. Those guys probably couldn't swim. But that is no excuse not to call 911 or try to throw something out for the guy to grab or do something. Sitting and laughing while somebody dies? Who does that? That poor man was black and handicapped. How were they raised?
All teens aren't like that. That's just a cop out.
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These kids ain't ? , but what is putting a case on them going to do?
These people here are wishing they could charge them with dudes death. And stupid ? support that ? . -
obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »twentyfivelighters wrote: »The question remains; Are the teens guilty of Criminal Negligence?
Criminal Negligence
The degree of culpability is determined by applying a reasonable person standard. Criminal negligence becomes "gross" when the failure to foresee involves a "wanton disregard for human life" (see the discussion in corporate manslaughter).
The maximum penalties for criminal negligence causing ? harm and death are 10 years (14 years if the conviction is for street racing causing ? harm) and life imprisonment, respectively.
IMO they could be charged with Criminal Negligence for not calling 911. Their family lost all contact of the victim and had gone days without seeing him. They (the family) reported him "missing". If the teens had called 911 at least the family would have known what happened to him.
They won't be charged. CNN confirmed this. Can't arrest someone for being an ? .
@twentyfivelighters they've been charged
Good ? those ? -
playmaker88 wrote: »
Right. If you think poor people who inherit their poverty are accountable for that, then enjoy inheriting death when I refuse to save your drowning ass.
Should have spent less time complaining about taxes and more time learning how to swim.
This easily one of the dumbest posts i seen on this forum -
I really don't have anything to add to this thread because ya'll have pretty said what needs to be said. But to answer the question of what would putting a charge on em do. It sets the precedent. Some people are still scared of felonies, and probably don't want to face jail time. The act itself is unspeakable, and county jail is worse than prison, the judge could make a case for a high bond if charged.
? in jail will really torture you for ? like this, not literally torture, but they gon pull your card. Especially if they get put in a gladiator tank, they'll wish they was in that lake wit dude by the time they get done with the case, and that's not even countin what the judge is goin to hand em. Even if they don't get time, bein in the system is some ? .
I hope they get taught what their parents didn't teach em out there. -
SuperManuel wrote: »obnoxiouslyfresh wrote: »twentyfivelighters wrote: »The question remains; Are the teens guilty of Criminal Negligence?
Criminal Negligence
The degree of culpability is determined by applying a reasonable person standard. Criminal negligence becomes "gross" when the failure to foresee involves a "wanton disregard for human life" (see the discussion in corporate manslaughter).
The maximum penalties for criminal negligence causing ? harm and death are 10 years (14 years if the conviction is for street racing causing ? harm) and life imprisonment, respectively.
IMO they could be charged with Criminal Negligence for not calling 911. Their family lost all contact of the victim and had gone days without seeing him. They (the family) reported him "missing". If the teens had called 911 at least the family would have known what happened to him.
They won't be charged. CNN confirmed this. Can't arrest someone for being an ? .
@twentyfivelighters they've been charged
Good ? those ?
Watch it with that "? " ? . You could disagree with these dudes and their individual characters without jumping off the racist deep-end.
This the type of ? I wonder how mods let rock on here. -
These kids ain't ? , but what is putting a case on them going to do?
These people here are wishing they could charge them with dudes death. And stupid ? support that ? .
Facts. These MFs completely disregarding how "well" 911 has worked for people especially Black people.
2nd. They also disregarding other ways to address these dudes' morals as opposed to trapping them up in the racist ass system... that don't give a ? about "911 / cops" killing they ass. Like they literally responsible for dudes' death.
Not even to address that they was allegedly high. Who the ? dialing 911 when they high.
The same laws MFs is supporting will be laws that'll be disproportionately used against Black people. These MFs saying "lock them up / charge them" like the justice system is fair or some ? . You really want MFs to be locked on some "moral"-type ? , like we share the same morals as the white people who make these laws ? -
playmaker88 wrote: »
Right. If you think poor people who inherit their poverty are accountable for that, then enjoy inheriting death when I refuse to save your drowning ass.
Should have spent less time complaining about taxes and more time learning how to swim.
This easily one of the dumbest posts i seen on this forum
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These kids ain't ? , but what is putting a case on them going to do?
These people here are wishing they could charge them with dudes death. And stupid ? support that ? .
Facts. These MFs completely disregarding how "well" 911 has worked for people especially Black people.
2nd. They also disregarding other ways to address these dudes' morals as opposed to trapping them up in the racist ass system... that don't give a ? about "911 / cops" killing they ass. Like they literally responsible for dudes' death.
Not even to address that they was allegedly high. Who the ? dialing 911 when they high.
The same laws MFs is supporting will be laws that'll be disproportionately used against Black people. These MFs saying "lock them up / charge them" like the justice system is fair or some ? . You really want MFs to be locked on some "moral"-type ? , like we share the same morals as the white people who make these laws ?
Yea that ? sound good til it's your cousin in that water. Only other way to address that is put em in the water and make em swim to the shore, ? them ? .
These ain't drug laws you talkin bout, this is basic human decency,
Them being high is a mitigating circumstance my ? .?........ sit your ass down son.
